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Posted by: Music123 Aug 3 2008, 11:35 AM
Hi! just thought I would make this poll to see which one is the most popular
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAPX4Rwxrf8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3PVWIpmrsE
Posted by: Jahnavi Aug 3 2008, 2:00 PM
RAI English, no question.
Posted by: P-girl Aug 3 2008, 2:27 PM
Rai, they don't mess up the translation for no apperant reason.
Posted by: Zentron Aug 3 2008, 3:00 PM
Same again, Rai! The episodes aren't fragged!!
Posted by: AnnieBelle Aug 3 2008, 3:04 PM
...Eh, it's kinda a tie. RAI English is definitely more accurate in keeping to the Italian storyline and things, but the 4kids version is the one I saw first, and I like the voices just a teensy bit better in it.
Posted by: humbu111 Aug 3 2008, 5:51 PM
I like 4kids, the voices and music are way better
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 3 2008, 5:59 PM
HAH. No contest. RAI. The only problem I have with RAI, and it's really minor, it's Musa's voice. It sounds like she has a cold or her nose is stuffy. Something about it, I just don't like. But I'm also kinda used to her voice in 4kids, it just feels like it suits her better. I wouldn't expect her to have a really little feminine voice considering her personality.
Posted by: Zhanneel Aug 3 2008, 9:37 PM
Oh, I'm not sure I can choose...hmm
I wish I could combine the RAI dialogue with the 4kids voice actors. I really think the 4kids did a great job (maybe over doing it on some characters) with casting voice actors. The RAI dub voice actors just seem less emotional and less inspired.
My biggest beef is (while I'm used to her voice now) Tecna's voice. Now I come to associate Tecna's 4kids voice with a high British accent since that's how I was first introduced to Tecna, but in a way they didn't do her character justice in that choice. Mainly because many people find her stuck up and unemotional to begin with, and the voice only made it worse. However, after watching many of the RAI episodes I don't get the impression that Tecna is as introverted and "stuck up" as the 4kids dubs seem to make her. She actually seems very human and delivers some well aimed jokes and chides.
But then I love Musa's voice in the 4kids version, lol.
So, I'm at an impasse.
Posted by: dittadulla Aug 3 2008, 9:57 PM
a cold? you should hear her voice in icelandic, she is on the highest level of cold. and probably her voice is totally ruined by the cold
poor icelandic musa urmm... Rai dub^^
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 4 2008, 4:53 AM
Oooh man, now I'm curious how her Icelandic voice sounds xD
But now seeing the RAI version with Darkar...I can actually look at the screen and take the scenes more seriously! His voice was a joke in the 4kids version, but I'm assuming they gave him such a silly voice to make him seem less scary to little kids...or they actually thought that'd be a good voice regardless. Either way sounds like them. <<;
Posted by: P-girl Aug 4 2008, 8:18 AM
Overall, I think they made Darkar a little less scary with the translations, which was a bit of a waste.
Posted by: winxclub-joy Aug 4 2008, 12:09 PM
ya XP
Posted by: P-girl Aug 4 2008, 2:13 PM
One change I particularly regret, is a conversation he had with the Fake Avalon. There he called the real Avalon his 'favorite toy', probably one of the most disturbing sentences in Winx Club ever, placing it in context.
Posted by: Abby Aug 5 2008, 7:25 PM
It is a tie for me. I know I complain a lot about 4kids editing, but after watching some of the rai episodes, I am kinda glad they changed some of the dialog. Some of the rai english stuff to me sound really cheesy and I cringed after hearing some of it. Plus I am not too fond of some of the rai voices in english, a few sound like the same person to me. That may be me just because I'm so used to 4kids, but 4kids is the first version I saw and that will be one of my favorites always. However I do like how rai kept the opening and the songs in their version (like in Magic in my heart episode, I was furious with 4kids about that one
Posted by: Zentron Aug 5 2008, 11:51 PM
As someone who actually HAS done voice acting, I know how tough it can be, especially as you don't get to see what you're working to until after... unless you're re-dubbing another production house's work. The VA's at 4Kids had that advantage, even so, they still weren't very convincing!
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 6 2008, 12:19 AM
While I'm so glad that I have the RAI episodes, there are only few bits of dialogue that I find 4Kids changed for the better. But they are really small things like the third episode where Stella offers to pay for Bloom's dress. Flora stops her saying that it'll offend her, but 4kids had her say that she already maxed out her card. Even while I see it somehow possible to be offended in that situation, it's at least more understandable that she couldn't. There were some other things they've said that sounded better than the original, but little conversations are nothing compared to the bigger things like the heart of Cloud Tower not really being the heart and Tecna jumping to conclusions about it. And to me that's more important, I can't stand having a botched up storyline.
And yes, some of the voices do sound the same, but some are much better than the overly characterized voices provided in the 4kids version. In the 4kids version, Stella sounds like the only way she can talk is by yelling. Also in the RAI, Musa's voice sounds much better in season two than the first, so now I'm over it. 
Posted by: Zhanneel Aug 6 2008, 1:44 PM
*is slowly being sucked into the Rai dub trap*
It's definitely growing on me. And after listening to the voice actors more and more, I think they are starting to feel a bit more emotional. But since I was so used to the boisterous, "over-acting" (so-to-speak) with the 4kids version I still like that too =P.
Posted by: Abby Aug 6 2008, 8:23 PM
No matter how much I watch the Rai version I will still always like the 4kids VA's better (most of them) like to me in the Rai version, the witches voices seem way to nice to me, they don't seem evil.
Posted by: P-girl Aug 6 2008, 8:25 PM
Because evil voice = evil. 
Sorry, but the creepiest voices are nice voices, in my opinion. They catch you of guard. A scary video game girl. (SC4's Amy) has a really cute and nice voice.
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 7 2008, 5:34 PM
I'll say, the witches voices in the RAI version definitely caught me off guard because they weren't that stereotypical evil. There's something about Icy's voice, she said 'My dear' at one point, and it totally made me forget what she was trying to do. Hah!
I'm just sick of evil voices for evil characters, it makes me feel like their only purpose isn't just to be evil. Also I find it kinda cheesy.
Posted by: Abby Aug 7 2008, 5:39 PM
I find a lot about the rai version cheesy though, they say "my dear" and "oh my heavens" a lot. But then there are also moments with 4kids that I find cheesy as well. I just can't think of any examples right at this moment.
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 11 2008, 6:30 PM
I noticed that Bloom does say "Oh Heavens" a lot in the RAI version, but to me that beats the heck out of her saying, "You guys" continuously in the 4kids. I can't stand it, and every time she does I want to slap her. ><
Posted by: Zentron Aug 11 2008, 6:42 PM
The one thing I really can't stand about the 4Kids versions, is the words used in the spells: "Grow Up Acceleratum", "Transportus Back Homus". I'm very tempted to use very very harsh language here to show my disgust at that drivel.... but I won't, I'll just say, that it's just 1 Googolplex percent, lame! (just in case on-one knows what a Googolplex is, it's the largest number you could ever write before you fell asleep marking down all the zero's)
Posted by: humbu111 Aug 11 2008, 6:59 PM
When do they use "Grow Up Acceleratum"? And they also use "Passus Throughus" and "Flamus Extinguishus" but I dont really mind those spell names.
Posted by: Zhanneel Aug 11 2008, 7:24 PM
I think if they don't really know Latin, they shouldn't pretend to know it either =P. I have come to terms with their usage of silly Latin-type spells, but good grief, why not just come up with their own English spells. Or just keep the original spells from the Rai version.
Posted by: humbu111 Aug 11 2008, 7:32 PM
lol I never realised they were trying to make it sound Latin. What were some of the RAI spells?
Posted by: Zentron Aug 12 2008, 11:59 AM
The lameness almost makes me puke!
Posted by: Boo Aug 12 2008, 3:43 PM
Hmm... I'm split between the two.
As much as I complain about the 4kids version (all their edits... eek!); I'd have to say that they have the best voice actors for the characters. They just all fall into place for the characters nicely (especially looking at the voice actresses the Trix had; they fit a lot better). Plus I always liked that Tecna had a British accent; it just seemed to fit as well; even though I am totally outraged that they changed it during season 3... (I liked her voice actress for seasons 1 and 2 the best). The edits 4kids do are horrible; cutting scenes, switching scenes around. Just... not good. But like I said, their voice actresses are very good at what they do. I might like them more because of the fact that I've only really watched the 4kids version of winx, though.
I like the Rai version for the fact that they don't cut things out for no reason and because of the fact that they stick to the original. It disappointed me that 4kids would cut out some rather worthwhile scenes; it was nice to see them in a different version because, for the most part, I wasn't aware of them at all thanks to edits. o_O The voice actors bug me greatly though.
If only 4kids would just leave scenes and names alone. *sighs* (Why must they have 3-4 commercial breaks in a 30 minute cartoon anyway!?)
Posted by: RenaEnchantix Aug 12 2008, 4:19 PM
I think the 4Kids acting is much better than Rai English. have any of you seen the final battle for Rai English, Bloom sounds so...bored in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVPq1QxCHX4&feature=PlayList&p=A7331FFB752ABF17&index=102
I think the boys voices suit a bit better, but the winx club all sounds like...30. I hate Flora's voice, it sounds much too old. if both versions release the movie though, i'll probably watch the Rai English because 4Kids will probably screw a lot of it up, which might be a reason why they're having difficulty getting the rights to it.
Posted by: Zhanneel Aug 12 2008, 4:21 PM
Here's one episode where the Rai version either copies an Italian spell, or makes a very good sound-alike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLKEo4JK6GI
(Professor Avalon says a spell at about 2:00 minutes into the clip)
Much different from the English spells where we add "um" "is" or "us" to the end of a word to make it sound Latin =P
Posted by: Abby Aug 12 2008, 5:22 PM
I don't really mind the 4kids spells at all, I don't pay much attention to them ever. Your right about the enthusiasm in their voices, I don't hear it. Sometimes they just sound really bored when it is supposed to be an exciting scene.
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 12 2008, 6:01 PM
Honestly, I hate the fake latin they use. It's just too cheesy and they'd be better off leaving it alone. For example, 4kids has Stella say "Stainus Removus" while in the RAI she simply says "Stain Remove" after watching both, the simple English is just fine.
Also, I think they should leave the pronunciations of character's names alone too. For Chimera, how does "SHI-marah" turn into "KIM-erah"? Just looking at the spelling, the first pronunciation makes more sense, or at least comes more natural, I think.
But I am amazed that 4kids kept a lot of the dialogue in the first episode in season 3. I don't forgive them, but still.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVPq1QxCHX4&feature=PlayList&p=A7331FFB752ABF17&index=102
I think the boys voices suit a bit better, but the winx club all sounds like...30. I hate Flora's voice, it sounds much too old. if both versions release the movie though, i'll probably watch the Rai English because 4Kids will probably screw a lot of it up, which might be a reason why they're having difficulty getting the rights to it.
I like the guy's voices in the RAI much better, every time Sky talks I don't have to think of Yu-Gi-Oh. D:
Posted by: humbu111 Aug 12 2008, 6:14 PM
I used to watch Yugioh alot, but I never realised that Sky has the same voice, so it doesnt bother me. And I really dislike the RAI voices, Musa and Layla sound way to soft, and Flora's voice isnt gentle enough. And Stella does sound really bored and it DOES not match her personality.
Even in 4kids, Avalon's spells are all complicated and not really fake latin like the other spells.
In the RAI version Chimera is SHI-merah? Wow, thats a pretty big change, but I like KIMmerah alot better and I think of KIM-erah first when I see the spelling.
Posted by: Zhanneel Aug 12 2008, 6:32 PM
Hmm, now I'm thinking maybe the Rai version did change the spells to be just simple English, at least for the students...I'll have to watch some more episodes all the way through. It's probably just the teachers who use the non-English spells. I need to find an episode with Griffin in it. If they don't change her spells than maybe it's just the teachers who have the complicated spells.
As for Chimera, I've seen "Ch" said both ways, just depends on the language. In English I can see how (to keep things simple for younger audiences) "K" would be easier than "Sh". But they should have left it alone, it would actually teach the younger kids about different languages and pronunciations. Not everything has to have kid gloves when it airs on North American (and some European) tv stations. Oh well.
Posted by: AnnieBelle Aug 12 2008, 7:11 PM
I've heard Chimera pronounced both ways, but in the way of when "chimera" is mentioned in mythology, I've been taught to pronounce it as "Kim-era", but some people say "shi-mara", so I really think it could go both ways.
...Really, I don't know if it's fake Latin as much as cliche spell-y language. 'Cause in a couple of my cousins' storybooks, they add "-us" or "-is" or "-um" to the end of the English words so the kids know it's a spell or something magic-related but they still know how it's pronounced. So, 4kids is just using cliches. But a lot of TV shows do that, use cliches, I mean.
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 12 2008, 9:25 PM
Yeah, that's true. I just wish that 4kids left their spells alone along with other things, I mean, I can't even watch the 4kids version anymore, it's pretty embarrassing. When someone asks me what it is I introduce it as a show that was butchered up by 4kids. A lot of people understand never to judge a show by it's 4kids dub...It just feels like they took a pretty respectable show and made it extremely childish. I'm aware of the target group/age audience but I think they did pretty good originally to where the age group kinda spans out further.
Posted by: Zhanneel Aug 13 2008, 5:13 AM
I'm not happy with their changes either (of course =P), and I truly wish 4kids and other similar production companies would treat the English audiences will more respect and give credit to the kids who watch the show. I get the impression they feel that kids (in the US for sure) are simpletons, and the fact is, the more they protect the kids from nuances and differences from other cultures, the more alienated the kids are from understanding anything outside of their own country or culture. If they would subject kids to the shows as they are first shown then, those kids would learn and come to terms with the fact that not everything is specially marketed for their own country. They'd adapt and learn. That's all there is to it. Since most kids in this country are used to seeing only certain kinds of shows with certain characteristics, then of course that's all they are going to be interested in. It's our fault, at least in the US.
Posted by: RenaEnchantix Aug 13 2008, 2:58 PM
I think it's rather obvious that 4Kids doesn't actually care about kids, or really anything american that doesn't involve them. Alfred Kahn has been castigated for a statement made in a press conference. he said that manga is a failing market because american children don't/can't read...when if he looked at the facts Manga is an ever growing market that's becoming more and more popular. I think he also said that children can't understand that there are other cultures in the world, which is why his company changes so much about their shows. I think Naruto and Dragonball are proof that children can indeed embrace other cultures. I know Dragonball doesn't take place on earth, but it's still japanese culture (I believe, I don't honestly know since I never liked the show. I will go see the live action film though, out of curiosity). and Naruto has a lot to do with Japanese culture (again, not 100% sure, but come on) and that show was doing really well for a while.
That's what I really hate about 4Kids, they're ignorant and controling. back when they had a vote to show which new tv series would have a sneak peak they altered votes so that a show about racing showed when actually Mew Mew Power got the most votes, and then when Mew Mew Power became their most popular show they cancelled it, brought it back, then tried to get the rest of the series. I was happy when they tried to get the rest of the series because FINALLY japan got wise of what was happening and WOULDN'T LET THEM HAVE IT!!! then they liscensed Pretty Cure, and then lost the liscense. Now Rainbow S.r.L. isn't letting them have the Winx Movie, or at least I believe that's what's happening. I remember somebody on this site contacted 4Kids and got a reply saying they were trying to get the movie, but weren't allowed to have it yet.
sorry, I really dislike 4Kids. my rant is over. if there's anyone from 4Kids here, sorry if I offended you, it's just how I feel.
Posted by: Zentron Aug 13 2008, 3:38 PM
A lot of what they've done is just pointless, no reasons what-so-ever, and others just silly! Even if 4Kids have bought in at least two voice actors who have more experience in acting or sound OK for the characters they portray, I still can never bring myself to ever say that 4Kids have done anywhere a decent job on their adaption of the show for their eyes! Or even on the pointless notion of that I saw the 4Kids version first, does not sway me in my choice of the Rai over 4Kids!
Posted by: humbu111 Aug 13 2008, 5:20 PM
Oh yeah, I just remembered about how Sky has the same voice as Yugi, Stella has the same voice as Tea (pronounced TAY-a =P) in 4kids.
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 13 2008, 6:05 PM
That's what I really hate about 4Kids, they're ignorant and controling. back when they had a vote to show which new tv series would have a sneak peak they altered votes so that a show about racing showed when actually Mew Mew Power got the most votes, and then when Mew Mew Power became their most popular show they cancelled it, brought it back, then tried to get the rest of the series. I was happy when they tried to get the rest of the series because FINALLY japan got wise of what was happening and WOULDN'T LET THEM HAVE IT!!! then they liscensed Pretty Cure, and then lost the liscense. Now Rainbow S.r.L. isn't letting them have the Winx Movie, or at least I believe that's what's happening. I remember somebody on this site contacted 4Kids and got a reply saying they were trying to get the movie, but weren't allowed to have it yet.
sorry, I really dislike 4Kids. my rant is over. if there's anyone from 4Kids here, sorry if I offended you, it's just how I feel.
This company is a complete joke, they even think they're getting all the money out there that there is for them possible, when in actuality, they're hurting the shows original company and they're getting only fractions of what they could be getting. We all know that if Winx was as true as the RAI, we'd be happy to spend money on dvds (well, those of us who've never heard of torrents and/or really supports what we love and want to keep it on the air...) and we wouldn't have to resort to the means of ordering online and trying to download the RAI version. (btw, 4kids is really screwed from the fact this show has it's own English version, not many other shows have that kind of luxury, usually it's just subs. At least, this is the first show I've ever seen to do so.) They think the only money out there is from little kids, when we older fans know that we and other fans like us would certainly be attracted to it, especially the fact it's in the country and shipping over seas wouldn't be a complete necessity.
I can't believe they'd stoop to the level to alter votes in a poll JUST so the show they wanted to play, that's ridiculous. Also, Mew Mew Power was absolutely horrible, I spent quite a while on Youtube watching comparison videos and I saw how terrible they made things. I'm glad they can't get the rest of the series and producers of shows won't let them dub their shows; it's about time they do that. I'd be pretty pleased if they couldn't get the rights to dub the Winx movie, I don't care about them if there's going to be a sub here or if they make the RAI english. I wonder though, if they can't get the movie, the second movie is out of the question, but what about the 4th season? If they can lose the licensing, and that flyer didn't have 4kids on it...can it be a possibility? I'd like to email them, but I know it'd be unpleasant. Along the words of, "I would like to know if you still have the rights to butcher up the Winx Club's season 4, or if it Rainbow S.p.A. finally wised up and decided you weren't fit for the job." and that wouldn't really be productive, now would it?
A lot of what they've done is just pointless, no reasons what-so-ever, and others just silly! Even if 4Kids have bought in at least two voice actors who have more experience in acting or sound OK for the characters they portray, I still can never bring myself to ever say that 4Kids have done anywhere a decent job on their adaption of the show for their eyes! Or even on the pointless notion of that I saw the 4Kids version first, does not sway me in my choice of the Rai over 4Kids!
The only show I thought they did okay, BUT for only the first season, was Pokemon. I thought the voices were good for the roles (excluding poor Gary...) But of course, it got worse and worse. I think I just have an emotional attachment because I was like...8. That's 10 years ago for me but I still remember the first episode I watched and where I was. xD I get very nostalgic.
GACK. Sorry, long post. D: Big rant.
Posted by: humbu111 Aug 13 2008, 6:30 PM
Just curious (sorry I have nothing to say in reply to Hirondelle's post), but I have a quick question for anyone whose seen the RAI episodes. In episode 44 (season 2 episode 18), in Cloud Tower, when Stella and Musa were arguing, they were arguing "Top Five", like music albums or something in the 4kids version. What were they arguing about in RAI version?
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 13 2008, 8:33 PM
It's okay. I think Stella was wanting to take it easy and sit around while Musa disagreed saying they should be working and not loafing around. I think I've seen the scene before, I'll try to find something for it for you.
http://www.dailymotion.com/SpiderBraids/video/x3xzrw_winx-club-comparisons-the-heart-of_shortfilms's the video for it, it's near 4:40 in the video.
Posted by: humbu111 Aug 13 2008, 9:01 PM
Okay, thank you, Hirondelle. So they edited it so that Stella doesn't look as bad.
Posted by: Zhanneel Aug 13 2008, 11:08 PM
*rolls eyes*
Okay, so basically there are two sets of characters: those from the 4kids, and those from the Rai version. Too bad I'm used to the 4kids version now, so watching the Rai version is like watching a whole new set of high school girls. They are at times completely different cartoons.
Posted by: humbu111 Aug 14 2008, 1:41 AM
Yeah, lol, its almost like 4kids edited the character personalities to make them perfect.
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 14 2008, 6:34 AM
Yeah, it's pretty strange how different they are. The personalities in the 4kids version are so sickly "princess-y" and valley girl that that's probably another factor to why the show isn't perceived so well in the US. <<;
Posted by: Zentron Aug 14 2008, 7:42 PM
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 15 2008, 12:57 AM
Nah Zentron, I think Rena might've had it right; I started looking up Alfred Kahn, and http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/11741.html article came up. It's about Manga dying in Japan and him saying, "Manga is a problem because we are in a culture that is not a reading culture" which is extremely laughable. If we have a "culture that is not a reading culture" we should make it one, not simply make up an excuse and ignore it. Also, some woman stated that "Manga is a great medium to bring kids back to reading." which is pretty true. This guy just tries to cover up his mistakes by saying people/cultures are the way he says they are as a whole. I simply do not like him.
But honestly, in the US I think anime is shown in a slim light, almost negative. More people believe the stereotypes and thinks that it's all weird H stuff. I know one person had the audacity to say that Anime was one of the lowest form of animation.
Yeah....let that sink in for a sec. It's ridiculous! There are so many anime series that have amazing animation and beautiful direction, whereas typical US cartoonists try to take the easy route just using Flash. We're completely out of the golden age here.
Posted by: Zhanneel Aug 15 2008, 1:11 AM
Golden Age: Bring back 2-D Disney!!
That's my piece, I'm done =P
Posted by: Music123 Aug 15 2008, 1:32 AM
Hirondelle I agree with u. U have convinced me, I used to think 4kids was good. I realised by watching it I never even realised the show was originally from another country, I though it was American. The characters were way too perfect and had no normal teenage problems, that made the Winx seem unrealistic. I made my decision. Go Rai English!!!!!!!!!! Woooohoooo!!!!!
PS Did anyone else noitice how fast the credits are in the 4kids version? It drives me crazy!
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 16 2008, 8:12 PM
I'm glad, Music123! xD 4kids doesn't do the Winx Club any justice whatsoever, I think they ruined the shows reputation in America. D:
And that's what I say too, Zhanneel! A few days ago I caught a glimpse of the Goofy Movie from 1995. Even in that movie the animation was beautiful, how is it that no one ever does that good anymore! The animation industry has lost its heart with Flash. D:
Posted by: Zhanneel Aug 17 2008, 3:35 AM
I wish the animation companies would listen to its faithful viewers (like us) and give back what we came to love! I honestly think Disney is killing itself with the overuse of CGI stuff. It's just not ...classic. And what is wrong with classic? They did all the great fairy tale stories. Now what do they do? Talking animals? ...not captivating. I don't think I've spent money to see a Disney movie since Mulan was in movie theaters?
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 17 2008, 6:23 AM
Oh dang, since Mulan? That's hardcore. Hah, I can't remember honestly, I'm not a big movie person so I hardly spend money in theaters. Just thinking about this though, in the movie Enchanted, which I've never seen but I know there's some animation in it, that's like a horrible little tease. I really want to see Rapunzel unbraided though, I heard despite the 3D, it's supposed to look pretty illustrated, it's interesting to at least check it out since animation is one thing I want to get into.
But still, they really should listen to us...for some reason I bet they're going to do a "coke classic". Market the new stuff, then bring the classic style back and make even more money. 
Oh, and about the RAI, I think they changed Flora's voice in the second season. I adored her first season voice. <<; So now I think RenaEnchantix was right about her voice sounding too old.
Posted by: Music123 Aug 17 2008, 7:03 AM
Well I think Disney will go back to 2D soon. I heard that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_and_the_Frog will come out in 2009. It is said to be the first black disney princess.
Posted by: Hirondelle Aug 17 2008, 7:44 AM
I'm glad you pointed that out, Music123! I didn't know they already had a image much less a TRAILER for the movie! That's such a site for sore eyes, I already adore the new princess! And the greatest thing of all for me, is that it's set in New Orleans, I knew that cajun feel just a few seconds into the trailer. x3 I'm happyyy
Posted by: dittadulla Aug 17 2008, 12:53 PM
weeeeeee, a new disney-2D-animated-cartoon-style-classic-movie 
(I just had to use this mark between the words, it is a good word^^)
Posted by: Zhanneel Aug 17 2008, 3:00 PM
Ohhhhh, right, I had heard they were in the makes of that movie when they were advertising for Enchanted. I was interested in it, but since they had no pictures or previews at the time I guess I assumed it was some horrible tease for me =P. Thanks for reminding me! And an ethnic character, that's even better! =) Oh...even better, it's the Broadway style musicals I adored! I hope it lives up to its classic counterparts, and hopefully there's no more CG animation than there was in Beauty and the Beast or Aladdin. Now I'm excited ^^.
Posted by: dittadulla Aug 20 2008, 4:53 PM
I am too
Posted by: Tom273 Jan 21 2009, 9:20 PM
Ive only seen the Finnish version of Winx im currently watching Rai English version, looks good so far. I really cant decide if i like 4kids version better. I might like the Finnish version best lol.
Posted by: Tecna 01 Jan 27 2009, 4:37 PM
I like rai english.
Posted by: winxtecna Jan 30 2009, 1:52 AM
I like 4Kids better because that's the only version that I've watched.
Posted by: Zentron Jan 30 2009, 1:58 AM
Posted by: P-girl Jan 30 2009, 9:14 AM
Indeed. That's like saying you don't like fish and chips because I never ate it..... not something you can tell.
Posted by: Zentron Jan 30 2009, 12:43 PM
Posted by: P-girl Jan 30 2009, 12:44 PM
Same here.
Posted by: Zentron Jan 30 2009, 12:44 PM
Posted by: Tiny Dragon Jan 30 2009, 6:39 PM
Both of them have the ups and downs I think.
I wish we could just combine them together and have the best of both worlds.
I think I favour the Rai version of the WinX.
Posted by: wkw427 Jan 30 2009, 9:17 PM
Rai english. Even though I saw all the episodes on 4kids when they came out, I only recently acquired season 1 and 2 in rai english and watched them. So much better.
But sadly since the last 5 episodes of season 3 don't seem to exist, I had to force myself to watch season 3 in 4kids
Posted by: humbu111 Jan 30 2009, 9:27 PM
They just dont exist on the internet, or in general? Cause if they dont exist in general, thats just weird.
Posted by: Tiny Dragon Jan 30 2009, 9:48 PM
They aren't on the internet Humbu. Or they weren't. Bloomfan15 over at YouTube is putting them up as I guess Season 3 is reairing where she is.
http://ca.youtube.com/user/bloomfan15
Posted by: Music123 Jan 30 2009, 11:39 PM
All of season 3 exists in Rai English. I found http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=N-eWJOtzjpA&NR=1 video.
Posted by: Zentron Jan 31 2009, 1:50 AM
Yes, season 3 does exist in Rai English, however, it does not exist on DVD...... hence the reason I haven't put it all up yet
Unfortunately, some, useless, cheap-o-nasty publishing company, going by the name 01 or OI, I can't tell which, are releasing season 3 and their DVDs only contain the Italian audio track..... in MONO of all things! WHO THE HELL USES MONO ANYMORE?????
Posted by: W.I.N.X Jan 31 2009, 7:19 AM
Mono? That made me laugh for a few minutes, I have to say. They could at least have Stereo, since nowadays we have something called Surround Sound.
Posted by: wkw427 Jan 31 2009, 6:03 PM
Playlist:
Winx Season 3 Rai-English
Description:
Finally, winx season 3(rai eng)episodes uploaded! These episodes have been uploaded by Isciira. NOTE: I DO NOT OWN WINX CLUB! THE REAL OWNER OF WINX CLUB IS IGINIO STRAFFI!!! ALL THE CREDITS GOES TO HIM AND RAINBOW S.P.A... AND 4KIDS IF I'VE USED THEIR VERSION AND CARTOONNETWORK FOR AIRING THE SHOW I DO NOT OWN THE SONGS EITHER, ALL CREDITS GOES TO THE SINGERS AND COMPOSERS TOO
From:
bloomfan15
They were already the ones on youtube. Up to episode 20..
If anyone finds/uploads the last 5, they are a GOD. Seriously =\
and in Mono? Wtf? Seriously, is the company from 1997 or something?
Posted by: Tiny Dragon Jan 31 2009, 7:23 PM
How about actually looking at her page wkw427?
http://ca.youtube.com/user/bloomfan15
She missed episode 22 but she does have episode 23 and 24.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=BiuHciy3kzM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=KGzEBJle8hM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=TeDqcS0jyxo
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=5jYmVO7Bmac
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ok_3ergZySI
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=fGCuEHwzZIc
Posted by: bloomfan15 Feb 2 2009, 2:06 PM
sorry guys i missed episode 22 and 25. my brother forgot to record episode 22 for me when i was out at a school event and for episode 25,the recorder conked out 
Posted by: P-girl Feb 2 2009, 2:08 PM
Don't worry, we really, really appreciate what you're doing nonetheless.
Posted by: wkw427 Feb 2 2009, 2:16 PM
Oh well.. I guess I'll just merge the rest and set up a torrent later today and leave it on overnight..
There is NO way you can get 22 and 25? Reruns?
Posted by: bloomfan15 Feb 4 2009, 1:19 PM
There is NO way you can get 22 and 25? Reruns?
no sorry. this is already the 2nd rerun i think. they'll probably stop airing winx here until season 4 comes out.. and i really have no idea when they are gonna release season 3 DVDs..why is it taking them so long? this worries me that this will affect the release of the winx movie dvd here..
Posted by: earth123 Feb 4 2009, 2:27 PM
Hey, is okto showing winx now?
Posted by: Bloom girl Feb 4 2009, 5:55 PM
I prefer Rai English
Posted by: bloomfan15 Feb 7 2009, 1:39 PM
the last episode of season 3 just aired today. i hope they'll air season 4 soon after italy...
Posted by: winxclubrox23 Feb 22 2009, 6:08 AM
I agree 100% The voices are so much more expressive and suit the personalities of the characters better. Some of the cuts they make aren't too bad. Like when Rai makes the different characters repeat the same thing like 3 times.
Posted by: bloomfan15 Feb 22 2009, 11:58 AM
hmm...
Posted by: humbu111 Feb 22 2009, 6:45 PM
[noguests]One thing I seriously dislike about 4kids is the transformation cuts; the transformations and fighting parts are like the highlight of most episodes [/noguests]
Posted by: winxclubrox23 Feb 22 2009, 7:14 PM
Yes! Like what's up with Musa's transformation in season 3? Instead on using the original one, 4kids edited it totally so now her hair looks plastic
Posted by: IcyLover121 Apr 23 2009, 9:11 PM
4kids!! it's the version i watched Winx in, and i've seen bits and pieces of the Rai version on YouTube and i'm like "wow the voices are terrible!" no offense! but that's what i thought!! and plus i ♥ 4kids!!
Posted by: bubamara Apr 23 2009, 9:18 PM
I think that voices in 4kids suite characters too much... Its like we have these six girls, and lets give them each one characteristic and everything about them (even the voices) should be submitted to this. In rai, those girls have same personalities, but it is much more subtle.
And everything else in rai is way better! Especially the first season and the thing with Darcy and Riven. That is something I just can't get over.
Posted by: wkw427 Apr 23 2009, 10:06 PM
Rai, because the voices are more life like
Posted by: humbu111 Apr 23 2009, 11:59 PM
[noguests]Cartoons arent supposed to be life-like. Thats what makes them fun.[/noguests]
Posted by: bubamara Apr 24 2009, 12:13 AM
But I just don't like plastic characters. I would like to see some opposites in one character. Like tomboy that looks very sweet and fragile, but is very tough (Musa), or technological girl who is at the same time funny (Techna), or spoiled princess who can actually be very good friend, and very strong fighter (Stella), or tough guy who doesn't trust anybody, think that everybody is against him, but at the end accepts friendship... Its just, that in 4kids they simplified things a lot, and lost something there.
Posted by: winxclubrox23 Apr 24 2009, 1:13 AM
Hmmm...what else can I say about 4kids? I really could write a book about why I prefer it. It's so complex to explain...
Posted by: SuperChick Aug 20 2009, 4:09 PM
4kids except the cutting scenes part other than that 4kids
Posted by: AndYouAreTheOne Aug 23 2009, 3:14 AM
I'm just sick of evil voices for evil characters, it makes me feel like their only purpose isn't just to be evil. Also I find it kinda cheesy.
Rai English, totally.
Posted by: Tash Sep 23 2009, 12:49 PM
Well, i like 4kids better because i grew up with it, and, well, seriously, if i had watched Rai version, I probably wouldnt have taken any interest in it at all. No offence, but if you see how everyone talks abot 4kids these days...it's like all there hard work to promote the show and voice characters gets them nothing. And well...the Rai voices sound like the Winx are like...40.
That's just my opinion. And I'm not changing my mind.
Posted by: dreamywinxgirl94 Sep 24 2009, 1:25 AM
Well for me it's a tie...but 4kids.tv voices are so much better than RAI English Voices. It's like RAI English voices confused me? They don't show emotion for the characters it's like they are talking normal instead of acting like the character's personality.
4kids.tv shows a lot of acting for matching the same traits of characters' personality. Since I grew up with them. =)
However....I really love the RAI English songs...I just wish 4kids.tv use them like resing it to American version. =( It's kinda gets annoying to repeat the same song over again especially, the opening as well. Never changed. Just changed the parts of the Winx's Powers. And I don't like the ending that 4kids.tv done. -_-"
Though, I just love both songs, but RAI English is more longer. I guess.
Also the scripts that RAI English has, it would be cool if 4kids.tv use the same script from RAI English, all they gotta do is react it to an American way, no changing scripts as their own. -_-" But they changed.
For episodes cutting off is so annoying...4kids.tv should leave it alone. Cutting off the parts of the episodes causes us to be confused that something is missing? =(
Posted by: {§hani™} Sep 24 2009, 11:17 AM
well i like the voice actors in 4kids much better.. its more realistic and each of the charecters have personality within their voice. it all fits. whilst rai due is good with the story line and translation but lacks in spunk (lol spunk). its like they both even out for me because each of them are missing a vital part. but in the end i think i like 4kids better because for me.. i need a good voice to build the charecter and spark my imagination. plus rai due is good but i hate their expressions sometimes liek "we need some chill time girls" *puke* too girly for me XD too american.
Posted by: P-girl Sep 24 2009, 12:05 PM
So.... exagarated voices are realistic? I don't try to attack your opinion, but the voices of Rai are way more realistic because they're more modest and flat. 4Kids exagarated them, perhaps giving them more distinct personalities, but realism? Nah.
Posted by: winxclubrox23 Sep 24 2009, 7:41 PM
It's a cartoon! Cartoon's aren't supposed to be realistic. Exaggerating the voices make them more fun, and recognizable. If you were to compare the Rai voices to other people's, chances are there would be some major similarities. If you were to do the same thing with the 4kids voices, they would be much more unique. That for sure, plays a big role in why I prefer 4kids.
Posted by: P-girl Sep 24 2009, 7:41 PM
Just trying to make a point and add in my two cents..... sorry.....
Posted by: {§hani™} Sep 26 2009, 11:32 AM
well overall the 4kids voices arent really all that exagerated, they have a realistic twange and besides i can recognize whose who!!! in rai due i just get confused = w = its horrible.
Posted by: Music123 Sep 26 2009, 12:20 PM
Huh??? Sorry to change the topic but the amout of votes, adds up to 40 yet it says the total amout of votes is 38...
Posted by: P-girl Sep 26 2009, 12:30 PM
Maybe..... some non-members voted? *Is totally guessing*
And is it me, or has the 4Kids side has become a bit..... fierce?
Don't get me wrong, you have the right to your opinion and to back it up with argument.... but keep it cool, respectful and let others have their opinions, even if they differ from yours. Respect Rai, as we try to respect 4Kids.
Posted by: rano0oma Sep 26 2009, 1:05 PM
rai all the way... i watched the rai version first and completed it fully then i said i wanna see the 4kids version maybe it's better..
when it played i was stunned. first the opening was completely ridiculous (that is only my opinion so no offence to any1) they cut the begging of the first episode and put it in the center of the episode and then in episode 5 they took a scene from episode 12 and put it in episode 5....i couldn't go on to watch it or i was gonna have a brain damage..but i have to admit the voices were catchy, except tecna's i don't think the british accent suits her, cause it makes her even more, umm...how do i say this...emotionless
Posted by: P-girl Sep 26 2009, 1:07 PM
.... This goes to Rai defenders to, please treat the opposing faction with respect.
Posted by: mightymarty2 Sep 26 2009, 3:16 PM
i am not sure why, i thought non members cannot vote
I am not going to comment as i have not seen rai and 4 kids to be able to compare fairly. Where in my opinion you need to watch 2 or 3 min
I think we have a problem of people getting defensive of there version and one person makes a comment either aggressive or taken in the wrong context and it esculates.
Posted by: winxclubrox23 Sep 27 2009, 1:51 AM
Yeah, same here. Sorry, I tend to get...defensive when talking about 4kids.
Yes. I agree with that whole-heartedly.
Don't get me wrong, you have the right to your opinion and to back it up with argument.... but keep it cool, respectful and let others have their opinions, even if they differ from yours. Respect Rai, as we try to respect 4Kids.
I never said I hated Rai, nor did I say anything about your opinions being wrong. I'm simply stating mine. Like I said, I can get somewhat defensive 4kids wise.
Posted by: P-girl Sep 27 2009, 8:28 AM
I wasn't talking about a specific person..... but you gotta agree, saying the version don't like nearly gave you brain damage went a bit far.
Posted by: {§hani™} Sep 27 2009, 9:49 AM
im with mazei.. none of us really went over the top. over the top is as to go as far as to insult rai due likers.. and i believie we've all respectfully stated our opinions not insulted people.
Posted by: MsAngelAdorer Sep 27 2009, 2:51 PM
After comparing many episodes in Rai English and 4kids, I have come to the conclusion that I still prefer the 4kids version.
Now, it's not just because I grew up with it and like their voices better, I simply prefer it. I think 4kids has better music, I like some of the name changes like from Domino to Sparks and from Valtor to Baltor, and I do like the plot changes better. Sure, they did almost completely change the story, but personally I prefer the changed storyline.
Now, Rai is good since they stuck to the original's music, lines, and story. And I have no problem with either version, I just don't like the original.
That's just my opinion on the matter.
Posted by: winxclubrox23 Sep 27 2009, 5:40 PM
Yes, I prefer 4kids because of the voices, some of the cuts, did I mention the voices? And the music.
Rai's good because they have the original lines, and not too many plotholes. Whereas 4kids has had to cover up ending "oops" changes. Like Musa being a princess for example.
Posted by: winxclubrox23 Sep 27 2009, 5:52 PM
Actually that did kinda work. Since they dropped the whole princess thing after season 1, she wasn't considered a princess anymore.
What they did though, was say that they were both from the Harmonic realm, but said Musa was from a different planet, Galatea was the princess of the entire realm. Hmm...I wonder how realms are things work. Is a realm a city? Or is it a section with cities in it. In this case, is a realm a planet or is it an area with many planets in it? I'm going to look into that. I'm all curious now! Lol.
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Edit: Alright, this is what a realm is:
Hm, that actually makes sense. Galatea and Musa are both from the same realm, but different planets.
Posted by: winxclubrox23 Sep 27 2009, 5:58 PM
Haha, I think that'd actually b pretty cool. XD
Posted by: winxclubfan2005 Oct 19 2010, 1:45 AM
I believe that it is called "pig Latin", but getting back on topic, I would say that I would like to have the the Rai English Script combined with some of the 4Kids voices. Also, in both versions, I would cut back on the cheesy sayings.
Posted by: imdepressedxo Oct 22 2010, 3:17 PM
RAI, no doubt about it
Posted by: Kaylin Oct 25 2010, 4:03 AM
Well, I know this topic is rather old, but I think I'll reply anyways. xD
I like both versions, but I prefer 4kids, since it's the version I've been watching since 2004. xD
But I think Winx would be flawless if they merged both the versions- like, if they kept the voices, music, sound effects, and etc. of the 4kids version, and kept the dialogue of RAI, since it's closer to the original Italian version.
Posted by: eliza May 13 2019, 12:02 PM
This is super irrelevant but someone please tell me how I got here, it's 2019 and I just read this whole thread. Sure I like winx but couldn't care less about the dubbed versions, they're both awful when I grew up with the Italian. This is a new low of procrastination help
Posted by: Bloomfan4ever Jun 21 2019, 3:40 AM
I watched 4Kids until season 4 came out, then I watched RAI. I have to say I literally have no problems. I recently finished season 7. Safe to say it made me cry a bit. Can’t wait for season 8! I have no preference. As long as I get to watch all the seasons in English I’m happy. :)
Posted by: Zhanneel Apr 7 2020, 12:57 PM
Well, even though you may never read this reply, I felt compelled to say something. I think generally the "original series" of any show will always be in some ways the "best", if only because that is the truest depiction created by the producer/designer/director, etc. Basically, it is Straffi's direct creation--dialogue, language, intonation, music, etc.
However, two points:
1) I think most people, while they may say all original Disney movies in English are the "truest" (due to the Westernized jokes, dialogue, etc made by the creation team), would also argue that seeing it in their own language is going to be the "best". There is something grand about watching a show in your own dialogue, even using colloquialisms native to where you grew up. You feel more deeply connected to the characters.
2) Spring-boarding off of my last point, there are many viewers (myself included) that believe updating an original form art (in this case, Winx Club Season 1), can really benefit a cartoon or show. For the sake of my theory, let's say that Straffi rushed the production of each episode or didn't have a large budget. Maybe he wasn't able to cast voice actors or voice directors that really fit the part or wasn't able to do the music full justice. And it being early in his production career, maybe he didn't have a huge knowledge base of how to fully create a well-rounded cartoon (yet). (Just compare Season 1 with Season 3 in how well Straffi updated the voices/music/dialogue with more experience.) In that case, the show may suffer in ways that a foreign entity (i.e. 4Kids) could "enhance" it.
I'm by no means saying the changes are canon...but when you're trying to grab the attention of a young audience that has a 30 second attention span, entities like 4Kids were going to update it for their target audience. And a company like 4Kids already had experience in knowing how kids would react to voices (stereotypical and over-the-top make for good cartoon drama and flair, recognizable differences between characters for kids, etc), updated/dramatic music, and of course, localization--something almost every foreign cartoon goes through when being dubbed. (Well, less likely today than 15 years ago since globalization has really helped connect and unify different cultures/countries. Especially in today's animes--users generally can't stand changed dialogue.)
In some ways kid's cartoons are like Broadway musicals. Musicals always go over-the-top with stage make up, gesticulations, voice casting, dialogue, scenery, jokes, and music. (There is a place for realism of course, but not usually in a fantastical and colorful musical. Nothing wrong with realism.
I think many animes go the realism route today.)Buuuut...in the end these are still just my opinions and reasonings.
So...throughout this long, windy path I just laid out, I guess my conclusion is people will like what they like best. It's what we grew up with that determines how we enjoy television and cartoons. But even though I greatly prefer the 4Kids dub over all over dubs, I'm not down on the original Italian or English Rai dubs. For those that grew up with it, they will prefer it. I grew up on exaggerated voices and Westernized jokes and localization, so I prefer the 4Kids. Not a problem, they all have merit.
On a side note, am I the only one who loved Tecna having a British accent in the 4Kids dub? (PS - in the USA, having a British accent is equated with having high intelligence. It's a stereotype of course, but a flattering one.)
Exactly! I'm just happy I can watch it in English.
Posted by: WXLM_Tecna717 Feb 6 2022, 2:22 AM
For me, RAI English is the best because that’s what I’m used to and for me consistency is everything. Personally I think 4kids butchered it
Posted by: Zhanneel Feb 7 2022, 12:06 AM
It's always been a hot debate, haha. A lot of it definitely depends on which one you grew up with first I think. So I definitely agree with you there.
I've come to appreciate both dubs at this point. I appreciate the Rai one because it is consistent with the story and universe from the lriginal Italian dub. But after listening to the two back-to-back, I much prefer the 4Kids for witty writing and their choice of voice actors. In a way, they each make up for what the other lacks?
But again, I like both and have both in my DVD archives.