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Posted by: Another Morning Aug 3 2009, 3:33 AM

Alright, so I know there are topics for Twilight fans, and that's fine, have fun. Since I am not a Twilight fan, I tend to avoid them, because I don't want to storm into a place for people to talk about the book/movie they like and trash it. So this is a topic for fans and non-fans to discuss what they love or hate about the books and movies.

IF YOU FEEL VERY STRONGLY ONE WAY ABOUT TWILIGHT AND DISLIKE PEOPLE NOT SHARING YOUR OPINION ABOUT IT, THIS TOPIC IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST FOR YOU.

Just getting that out of the way.

And now, I rant.

Okay, so I've already said that I don't like Twilight, but I've never really said what I dislike about it. Well...here is my in-depth view of the series and the movie.

First of all, as it has already been pointed out, the things in Twilight are not vampires or werewolves. My dad suggested I refer to them as "glampires", and I rather like it. There are some things I can let slide, but on the whole, I'm a big fan of the original vampire. Must live on HUMAN blood (but they don't go OMFGCRAZY when somebody gets a papercut, hint hint Meyer), weakened/harmed by sunlight (sparkling does not factor in at all), must sleep in native earth, cannot enter homes uninvited, fetid breath (they are CORPSES, people, it's only a glamour that helps them lure in victims), unable to kill themselves (sorry Edward, no manipulation or emotion abuse for you), repelled by garlic and the cross, don't show up in mirrors, killed with fire-hardened ash stake to the heart or with flames, obedient to their master who created them, all that jazz. And, most important of all, vampires are MONSTERS. They have no soul. They cannot fall in love, they don't care about people. Humans are food to them, nothing more. And as monsters, they should be killed. That's the best kind of vampire to me. Like I said, I can be lenient on some of those things, but when you totally disregard all of them, you don't have a vampire anymore. Same with the werewolves. If you want to change things so bad, just make an entirely new species. And I do feel really bad for the Native American tribe that had their heritage and mythology so blatantly warped and ignored.

Second, the characters in the story, for the most part, I either hate or don't care about at all. Edward and Bella, for example, I hate. Edward is a possessive, abusive stalker who controls Bella with threats and displays of power. He takes the engine out of her car so she can't see her friends, and he threatens to kill himself if she ever leaves him. Bella doesn't exist outside of Edward, even the entire second book is just her complaining that he's gone, she is supposed to be all mature and old for her age, even though she acts like a total teenagers, running headfirst into doing anything as long as she can stay with Edward, and she complains all the time about being such an outcast when it's actually mostly self inflicted. She looks down on any classmates that try to be nice to her. All we hear from her regarding Edward is how beautiful he is, she never mentions liking him for his personality (not that you can blame her, he doesn't really have much of one). For both of them, most of their character traits we only know because we're told what they're supposed to be, they never actually display them. The other characters all have as little personality as Bella and Edward. There are a few that I like, though. Jacob is actually cool when he's not doing anything related to Bella, and Charlie made a good effort to be there for Bella, even if she didn't really acknowledge or appreciate it and just dismissed him all the time. Billy was cool, too, and Rosalie had her moments. Movie-wise, all the people at her school seemed much more cool and interested than Bella did, I would have rather watched a movie about them. I feel bad that they're all trapped in such a horrid book/movie.

Finally, even the writing itself isn't good. Smeyer is repetative and never leaves just one adjective where three will fit, some of which don't even make sense. Her purple prose turns what could be dramatic situations kind of funny. The stories all seem like she made it up as she went, and I lose interest quickly in whatever is going on. She goes into intense detail about things nobody cares about, like how Bella eats her breakfast, but when it comes to things like actually developing characters and relationships, she skips over it.

The movie bored me to tears. Even with the hilarious RiffTrak by the MST3K guys, it still felt like it lasted 8 hours.

This being said, I hate when people dis a book or movie without reading it, so let it be known that I have read the first the books and half of the last one, and seen the movie twice (first time without the riff, second time with). So I'm not just assuming any of this.

Now, discuss away! =D

Posted by: P-girl Aug 3 2009, 7:24 AM

Well said.

I admit, for the books themselves, I can't tell what I feel, since I haven't read them. I can, however, show my dislike for the writer, who shows utter disrespect for ancient myths, (Prides herself into not doing any research? Oh hell no. And let's not forget her next project, which involves Sirens, which she's going to portray as Mermaids *Is a Sad Greek Mythology fan* Why can't they ever get that right?) Classic literature, (Dissing Jane Austen, Shakespeare and other legends in favor of her book? Oh HELL no.) and has shown to not handle critisism well. (From what I've heard, her brother filters her E-mail, making sure she doesn't read the bad ones, and let's not start with the Midnight Sun fiasco *Thumbs down*.) for me, an aspiring writer who thinks research and respect are one of the most important things (Especially on the internet where it's often the first victim (Together with Grammar and Spelling)) and learned that you've got to take any sort of critisism with your head held high, those things are big Nonos. Also, a little humility never hurt anyone.

That's my say in it.

Posted by: Jahnavi Aug 3 2009, 3:36 PM

{Please excuse my laziness; I'm copy-pasting a lot of what I posted on the the 'New Moon!' topic (and a lot of that was copied from the shoutbox, when I was ranting with P-girl... xD).}

I like the series (and I'm sorry, but I get SRSLY irritated when people think it's a "saga"), and I'm not going to go around saying it sucks; that wouldn't be right, because I've read it and on the whole, I do kinda like it.

But I really don't like how she's changed original mythological stories and creatures. Those legends have been built up around the world over centuries and while it maybe alright to tweak them slightly, I don't think it's right to completely re-write them. Maybe S Meyer thinks she's being innovative, but I don't agree with that aspect of her stories at all.

And my main problem with Bella and Ed's is romance is, they're always "ZOMG, I would so die for you...!" towards the other person, but what do they ever really do together? Isn't the point of a relationship to enjoy the other person's company? (Correct me if I'm wrong, that's just how I always viewed it.) Some complicated "conflict" always comes between them, and then they get Edward gets all angsty, and insists Bella can't leave the house, or she will somehow be fatally injured, and then she rebels against him, and then Jacob swoops in (though I have to admit, he's one of the few characters I really like in this series) and he just tightens the tension between Ed and Bella... What's the point of being in a romantic relationship if all you ever do is worry that the other person is going to die, or something? That is something you should be worried about, but that shouldn't be all you think about... When was the last time Edward and Bella ever had fun together?

Her main character's aren't realistic in my opinion. Especially Edward. I hate how clingy/possessive/over-protective/paranoid he is about Bella, and yet she puts up with it? In an actual relationship, wouldn't that be a matter of concern, not something that intensifies your love for the other person? In an actual relationship, wouldn't that be a matter of concern, not something that intensifies your love for the other person? I mean, I can understand learning to love your partner's flaws, but I find it kind of extreme in this case...

Anyway, that's why I like New Moon the most out of all four books. It had the most realistic plot, and something interesting actually happened (Edward leaving Bella), which S Meyer used to bring some other characters into light. You get an insight into so many other characters in that book, it's much better than "See, first Edward did this, then Bella did that... Then Ed...then Bella...".

And it's a kind of peeve of mine that S Meyer has developed some of the background characters better that the main ones. (Jacob, Alice, Rosalie and Emmett are some of the characters I really like in this series, yet they all get less and less focus.) And to some extent, that doesn't matter too much, but then when you get so much of Isabella and Edward's poorly-fabricated characters in comparison, you find that a pretty big flaw in the story.

Though, after that whole rant, I must admit, even though I hate her main characters, S Meyer does have a flair for writing. She kept me hooked onto the story (for the most part) regardless of what I felt about the characters. She does keep up a nice momentum with the plot (at least for the first two books) and I've often found that I tend to lose pace in my writing, so I do admire her for that. She's a talented writer, I just think she needs to work on her stories a little more.

Posted by: SuperChick Aug 3 2009, 4:54 PM

ok in my opinion I agree w/ both iam a fan but not crazy.... her books should have more of the horror vampire blood , killing people ect. one of the things i dont like is that Edward is like Bella's world and she needs to have other friends outside of the Cullens unlike Jessica Angela Mike / Ben she needs to stop being so revolved around Edward ...Do i make any sense ? I like the books i've read 123&4 before the movie came and really that's all i have to say

Posted by: P-girl Aug 3 2009, 7:41 PM

You're making perfect sense, it's a common complaint I hear: Bella's willing to drop EVERYTHING for Edward. Meyer, if you want to portray Bella as smart and *Snicker* independant..... you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 3 2009, 7:51 PM

Exactly, SuperChick. Like I said, Bella doesn't really exist without Edward, and that's not romantic to me, that's sad and worrying.

Posted by: SuperChick Aug 3 2009, 10:30 PM

yea that's not romatic at all good to know i make sense

Posted by: MorriganAensland Aug 4 2009, 2:41 AM

Romance is something dealing with finding emotional support while going out there and *doing* something.

Bella's whole life revolves around Edward. She has no connections to anyone else in Forks and just wants to be with him. Honestly? That makes for a dull protagonist in my book. Once the "spice" of a relationship is lot, you have to try to regain it by doing lots of stupid stuff and...

Well, Bella does a *lot* of stupid stuff while simultaneously shoving Morman values down our throats.

Posted by: P-girl Aug 5 2009, 8:51 PM

Check this out, someone actually sued Myers for Plagiarism:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/08/twilight_author_sued_for_plagiarism_by_15-year-old.php#comments

I share Topless Robot's opinion. What's there to plagiarise? It's a generic, unoriginal story that every second-class writer can come up with. (I believe I have some similar stories archived on my drive.... and never finished because I grew away from Wish-fullfilment and towards Slash literal maturity.)

Posted by: winxclubrox23 Aug 6 2009, 5:52 AM

Finally! I can rant in peace! And I'll do it in only several words:

Twilight is cheesy.

There, I said it. I read the first book before the movie came out, and I'll admit, it was alright. It wasn't the best book I've ever read, not even close, my god. And it wasn't the worst either. So I decided, what the heck? Watch the movie just for kicks! So I did. Wow, did they ever butcher it. I thought Eragon was bad. This surpassed it by far.

Posted by: W.I.N.X Aug 6 2009, 6:12 AM

Okay. Twilight? DO NOT WANT. Abusive relationahips? DO NOT WANT. Pedophilia? DO NOT WANT. Bad, flowerly writing with 'big' words that are overused and used incorrectly? DO NOT WANT. Flat Mary-sues? DO NOT WANT. Anti-feminism? DO NOT WANT. Sparkling vampires? DO NOT WANT. Lust passing off as love? DO NOT WANT. An author who thniks 60 and 70's music is crap(and mentions this in the books!) and Muse is good? DO NOT WANT. Full of herself author who thinks her characters are better than those in Wicked Lovely(an awesome book, read it if you haven't), The Princess Bride(SMEYER!), ROMEO AND JULIET?! DO. NOT. WANT.

As you can see from my caps abuse, these are just some of my problems with The Twilight SERIES(NOT Saga, dammit. SMeyer uses big words incorretly. She says something in the books along the lines of 'I tried to see the positive side of that statement rather than the chagrin.' WRONG!!!11one).

Posted by: winxclubrox23 Aug 6 2009, 7:13 AM

Oh, oh, I have a whole other rant for the sparkling Edward part...

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 6 2009, 9:38 AM

I remember when my friend first told me about the sparkly vampires. It was just like they do in movies, where you start laughing but then see the expression on the person's face and then you're like "oh my god she's serious" and then your laughter almost turns into bitter sobs.

Posted by: P-girl Aug 6 2009, 9:40 AM

Same here. Where did the idea come from? All I can think of is the way Shoujou Manga tends to portray pretty bishonen boys (Y'know, with the rose-petals and the sparkles and the whatnot.)

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 6 2009, 9:56 AM

Supposedly, the whole thing was inspired by a dream she had where two people were sitting in a field, and one of them was sparkly, and he was a vampire and the two were talking about how they had fallen in love and this was a problem. Sometimes dreams do make good inspirations for stories...but sometimes they'd just random crap you make up when you're asleep that make for amusing stories to tell your friend the next morning but are otherwise best forgotten. Sparkling vampires go under that second category.

And I heard about her being sued. From what I'm reading, the claims are fairly generic. "She wrote a vampire romance and so did I! PLAGIARISM!" This Jordan lady was hardly the first to do it herself. She might as well sue Smeyer for printing her books on paper because OMFG SHE DID IT FIRST.

Posted by: P-girl Aug 6 2009, 9:59 AM

Same here. So many Vampire Stories (Bad ones) start like that. I mean, I swear I saw a story like that in my mothers trashy Harlequin Books.

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 6 2009, 10:04 AM

Exactly. Pretty much every vampire romance is the same. Girl meets vampire, girl and vampire fall for each other, and either A. girl becomes vampire too or B. boy becomes human enough to eliminate all problems with the match in the first place huzzah for them. There is exactly ONE vampire romance that I like (Buffy and Angel were actually interesting and didn't make me rage), and otherwise I just feel like they're doing it wrong. :/

Posted by: P-girl Aug 6 2009, 10:16 AM

Well, I'm trying out a vampire romance.... but it's not the brunt of the story and since both of them start out as the undead, the whole 'ZOMG! You're a vampire! That's like, soooo cool, being a lost soul and undead and cursed and all!' can be skipped [/shameless plug]
....
Sorry, that sort of vampire fangirlism irks me. Like I said, VAMPIRES DO NOT MAKE GOOD/COOL BOYFRIENDS! Please stop treating them like some sort of rockstars/fashion accesory.

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 6 2009, 10:29 AM

Alright, vampire/vampire romance is also acceptable when done properly. It is the people who are like "Vampires are AWESOME I want to BE ONE" that grate on my nerves, too. Vampires are dead, they're corpses. They have bad breath and pasty dead grey skin. They don't have a soul. Why would anybody want to be that?

Reminds me of an RP character of my mom's she was partially a vampire (she still had her soul, and she eventually got better), and one of the annoying teenage characters in the group was always like "KIRBY CHANGE ME PLZ" and my mom's character was like "Shut up no." It amused me XD

Posted by: W.I.N.X Aug 6 2009, 11:32 AM

God, you have no idea how hard I laughed at that last bit AM. Lulz ensured.

Posted by: P-girl Aug 6 2009, 11:34 AM

It's always like that. I blame Anne Rice for starting this trend of 'Vampirism is OMG Cool!'.

Posted by: melgirl1778 Aug 6 2009, 4:01 PM

Yes! i agree with everything you said...

Rifftrax twilight is pretty awesome! and if you dislike twilight, i suggest you see it, there is a sample on there website, just google rifftrax. i have it on my computer! i love mst3k!

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 6 2009, 11:23 PM

XD Everything is better with RiffTrax, I even watch them for movies I love, like the LotR ones.

And W.I.N.X., I lol'd pretty hard whenever it happened, too XD

Posted by: Cloud9 Aug 7 2009, 2:19 AM

Rifftrax can make just about anything better. As for my opinion on Twilight, I've never read it, and thus I am willing to believe it is the best series of books ever printed. I am willing to believe the characters are excellently done and as physically desirable as everyone says they are. But for heaven's sake, get the fanpires out of my face and off of Facebook. I actually considered going to watch Twilight in theaters just to laugh at the stupid fangirls who would inevitably scream whenever Edward was onscreen. He might as well just quote the Beatles and say he's bigger than God. I don't know what goes on in those books, and I'm perfectly fine with that. Please move the fangirls to Pluto.

Posted by: melgirl1778 Aug 12 2009, 1:43 AM

Ok, I wish to point out my dislike of those who labeled Twilight a "Saga". It is a series people! NOT a Saga. A saga is something that takes place over two or more generations(i.e. Star Wars). But since the main character is always Bella, it is NOT cross generational, therefore not a Saga.

This is one of many misuses of the English language the series has...

Posted by: Jahnavi Aug 12 2009, 5:40 AM

QUOTE (melgirl1778 @ Aug 12 2009, 07:13 AM)

Posted by: P-girl Aug 12 2009, 8:07 AM

Me to. A lot of my irritation would be dissapated if they just named it what it was: A love-story. And not a legendary one, just one.

Posted by: melgirl1778 Aug 12 2009, 1:28 PM

yea, it really is frustrating when they try to argue it one...

Posted by: Jahnavi Aug 12 2009, 3:38 PM

The problem is that they can't seem to accept the fact that people have opinions different from theirs. I mean, I kind of do like Twilight. It's okay to read when you're bored. It's just that I think it doesn't deserve half the praise it's getting. It's not even close to being that good. However, if I try to tell my friends that, they bite my head off. =P

Posted by: melgirl1778 Aug 12 2009, 4:08 PM

And Stef stole most of the main plit from the Sookie Stackhouse series, which most people don't realize. It features a telepathic human, who falls in love with a vampire (Who she can not read the mind of). There is even a Jacob in the series. Her boss at the bar she works at is a shape shifter. (Sound familiar??)

Posted by: Jahnavi Aug 12 2009, 4:15 PM

*facepalm* ...Really? I didn't even know. The more I hear of Twilight, the less I like it...

Posted by: melgirl1778 Aug 13 2009, 3:28 AM

I know the feeling. I used to think the series was at least entertaining, but now I just get mad at it after watching and reading True Blood. (I highly suggest reading it, the first novel is called Dead Until Dark, and that way i have people to talk to about it!) Also, i would read it, i give a warning out to younger people here, the television series is rated M for Mature.

Posted by: Manda4winx Aug 13 2009, 3:33 AM

To what I think, the movie was awesome!
It was kinda scary at one part when Bella was bleeding to death, and I fear blood.... XD
The book was good too. :)
But i'm not too obsessed with Twilight nor i'm not a too much of a hater.
I'm kind of like the "neutral" twilight fan. :)
And i'm proud! I dont like talking about it alot, nor i'd hate to not talk about it
So yah...

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 13 2009, 3:35 AM

My mom is trying to get me to read the True Blood series. I would, but she can't find any of them in her room XD

Posted by: melgirl1778 Aug 13 2009, 3:45 AM

Really, i can see how you can find the series entertaining, but can you really admit it was an awesome movie? Please state the reasons why you think it was so good, because i have a lot of reasons why it was bad.

1. No dialogue between characters!
2. Way to close up close ups...
3. The lack of acting skills, (Except the guy who played carlisle and Charlie)
4. Bella having NO personality
5. cheesy music sequences
6. rotating camera making me dizzy
7. The overall message of the story. (Come on people Bella only loves Edward because he doesn't eat her! that's not love, that's abuse)
8. Stefanie Meyers random use of words that she probably looked up on dictionary.coms word of the day list.
9. Not real Vampires!

thats my list for now, im sure theres more though.

p.s. I know i have been saying this alot, but Read the true blood series. It is well worth it, and will make you realize Twilight for what it really is!


I thought of another

10. People calling it saga when it is NOT.

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 13 2009, 3:53 AM

I remember when I was watching the Twilight riff at my aunt's house, and Carlisle first came on, my aunt was like "Carlisle needs to find some some foundation that matches his neck." XD You could see where his pale makeup started.

Posted by: melgirl1778 Aug 13 2009, 3:56 AM

haha yea thats probably true. But i still find him Attractive all pale and blonde (can't go any further, reminds oneself that this is a young adult website)

MY fav riffed scene is probably the resturant scene, "I think its your bubbly personality, but im not sure"

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 13 2009, 4:03 AM

XD I loved that one, too. But I also loved when Edward was running and carrying Bella and they started humming the Benny Hill theme.

Posted by: melgirl1778 Aug 13 2009, 4:08 AM

Haha, yes. Or ... "THIS IS forks high school HOME Of SPARTA!" or the whole first day of school. Overly large school for the amount of kids... perfect!

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 13 2009, 4:13 AM

THE ARMADILLO. WHERE DID IT GO?!

Posted by: melgirl1778 Aug 13 2009, 4:14 AM

oh the golden onion...

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 13 2009, 4:18 AM

Nooo! Not Buttcrack Santa! Spare him!

Posted by: MorriganAensland Aug 14 2009, 3:26 AM

CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CHA- *gets shot*

I love how Robert Pattison has gone on the record saying how much he hates Edward.

Posted by: Cloud9 Aug 14 2009, 4:12 AM

Even Edward hated Edward. Perfect.

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 14 2009, 4:39 AM

Haha, I loved that interview, too XD The only problems I can find with Robert Pattinson himself is that he once said Batman is boring and apparently he never showers so he smells all the time (but it's possible he's doing that on purpose to keep the fangirls away). I actually heard once that some girl was kind of stalking him outside his house, so he actually went out and talked to her and took her to dinner and basically just told her that he was a normal person and kind of boring, and that he wasn't Edward Cullen, and she left him alone after that. So for the most part, he seems like an okay guy.

Posted by: W.I.N.X Aug 14 2009, 7:03 AM

Out of iterest do any of you have accounts on /ts/, twilightsucks.com? Lemme know. Oh and to leave I must express my chagrin.

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 14 2009, 7:16 AM

I have browsed before, but I don't have an actual account XD I've been thinking about getting one, though.

Posted by: W.I.N.X Aug 14 2009, 8:25 AM

Oh do. Terrifically lulzy people(I'm more of a lurker though). And obviously a site where ylou can post the more risque stuff and jokes.

Posted by: melgirl1778 Aug 14 2009, 3:33 PM

Haha, i didnt read that interview! but i like RP more now.

Posted by: Winxhorse Aug 14 2009, 9:51 PM

I actually really enjoyed the Twilight movie. I never bothered to read the books. Originally I thought it was stupid (things with obsessive fangirls usually are, I've come to realize.) I eventually went to see the movie for the heck of it, and I enjoyed it. I admit that Bella and Edward weren't that interesting, but I liked the other characters, especially Alice and Jacob.

The obsessive fangirls still annoy me though. The ones that actually think Edward is hot scare me the most.

Posted by: Another Morning Aug 17 2009, 4:17 AM

I liked Alice and Jacob at first, until Alice just started being too much like Bella and Edward and Jacob became annoyingly obsessed with Bella and then fell in love with a baby.

I like Charlie XD

Posted by: W.I.N.X Aug 17 2009, 7:33 AM

I like Leah and Seth. Leah FTW though. SMeyer treated her badly. And Leah had potential. But I don't like the real Seth(Smeyer's brother, who protects her by making sure she get's no critical email.). He's a huge...eh well you see where I'm heading... hem..jerk and when someone sent him this critical Breaking Dawn petition he basically responded by saying something like "No I'm not passing this on, I think her books are great, I don't care what you think, it's not for you to say so ****** off...blah blah blah"

DO NOT WANT.

Posted by: melgirl1778 Aug 17 2009, 9:34 PM

I heard Charlaine Harris filed suit against Stefanie Meyer for copyright. I don't think she will win cause technically Meyer didn't outright plagiarize, but she did base her books of of Harris' ideas.

Also its like Twilight is the child version of the Sookie Stackhouse novels, which are mature rated. but its still bad that she stole the idea.

Posted by: Toriamelio Nov 13 2009, 1:58 AM

strictly against! I truly don't think I can express my feelings about how much I LOATHE, HATE, DISLIKE, DETEST,DESPISE, ABHOR, EXECRATE ect. Twilight and it's little cast.

Posted by: W.I.N.X Nov 13 2009, 8:31 AM

Good girl Tori. You have been well taught.

Posted by: Jahnavi Nov 13 2009, 5:24 PM

If you haven't already seen this before, read this blog, you guys. You'll SRSLY love it. --> http://community.sparknotes.com/index.php/2009/07/16/blogging-twilight-index-page/

Posted by: Toriamelio Nov 14 2009, 4:05 AM

QUOTE (W.I.N.X @ Nov 13 2009, 12:31 AM)

Posted by: P-girl Nov 14 2009, 1:21 PM

I watched that one to (The trailer that is). The Dutch Tagline was.....

Some want to kill her.... *Shots of Volturi*
Some want to protect her.....*Shots of Jacob*
But there's only one.... who wants to give his life for her. *Guess who*

Riiight.... remember girls, it doesn't matter if friends and family want to help you and risk their life in time of need, it only matters if your boyfriend does it. *Sigh* I hate messages that play down the importance of love from friends and family above that 'One Twu wuv'.

....Yes I copy-pasted. I'm just really not cool with this trailer.

Posted by: Toriamelio Nov 14 2009, 7:33 PM

(ah ha! New Moon thats it! xD )
I agree with P-girl on this one.

Posted by: aqua_pearl Nov 14 2009, 9:50 PM

I read the first book before the movie came out, and so far I've read New Moon and Eclipse. Personally I thought they were good reads, and I can even agree to why they thought it would make a unique movie, but the excessive Twi Fans the obsession the media has on following the actors and production doesnt make sense to me. I really dont know why guys are so in love with this character. Sure Rob isnt ugly, and their love is old fashion fairy tale so I know girls go for that, but still I think they go way overboard.

I like Romance and Adventure novels so thats what appealed to me. It could jsut be that because Im used to romance books I take the corny bits in stride ( always admiring their perfection can get repetitive and exhausting but you learn to ignore it while you read) Bella's obsession with him, especially her reaction in newmoon when they split was a little insane and left me confused. But the writing is good and I personally like the different take on werewolves and vampires BECAUSE it isnt the traditional coffin and such (though the shiny skin is a little pointless) and i like that they are actual wolves and not wolf men (just because i love wolves)

While I liked the caring relationship between bella and edward, I liked it less after newmoon i lean a little more towards Jake and Bella, it even said they'd be meant to be together and Bella admits she loves him only Edward defied the laws of nature by not dieing 100 years ago and Bella's addicted to him and hurts physically if she can't smell him every five minutes. That sounds less like love and more like chemical addiction. But Im sure she likes that hes a good person to...psh

Overall its a good read, you might not be to disapointed if you give it a look, but the obsession thats going on right now with it is stupid

Posted by: P-girl Nov 14 2009, 9:57 PM

/Nitpick

Werewolves aren't supposed to be Wolf men. (Even tough the 'Were' in Werewolf stands for 'Man' /random factoid.), they are supposed to go fully wolf when they transform. Just bigger and far more dangerous. For as far as I know, Myer got that part right better then most modern interpretations, so I give her some points for that.
She loses them, however, for excluding the full moon and giving them full control. Werewolves aren't supposed to have control over their wolf-form. It was a Jekyll and Hyde analogy (Not being able to control one's beastly urges) before Jekyll and Hyde was written.

/Nitpick.

Yeah..... I'm annoying considering Horror Lore.

Posted by: W.I.N.X Nov 15 2009, 12:10 AM

And going back to your family, friends comment, P-Girl, that really ticked me off as well. I mean Bella doesn't even ccare about her friends and uses them only when she needs them. And in New Moon Bella's all miffed at the fact Jessica's mad at her, and doesn't get it, because SHE WAS JUST HEARING EDDIE'S VOICE. But Jessica was scared that Bella was walking towards weird men, and it was kind of obvious the thought's running through the poor girl's mind. ANd then when Jessica is all cold to Bella, Meyer decides to make a her only wanting to be friends with Bella in Midnight Sun(the re-write of Twilight), because she's popular. So friends aren't allowed to be mad at others for only thinking of their boyfriends, and thus, potentially putting them in danger? Fail Steph, fail.

And don't get me started on Bella's thoughts about her father.

Posted by: Jahnavi Nov 15 2009, 3:50 AM

Posted by: P-girl Nov 15 2009, 10:21 AM

Thanks. In fact, for me, that's part of the werewolve's appeal. They're almost tragic figures. They can't help it that they turn into monsters. And as a continuation on that, people who became werewolves volunteraly [sic] become that more heinous in comparison, to willingly lose all control in a society obsessed with self-control.

Posted by: Music123 Nov 17 2009, 5:43 AM

*steps in* I know it's already late but anyway...

I have just started reading twilight, simply because I was curious what all the hype and obssesin was about. I am about half way through and have to say it's nothing to be excited about...just your average teen horror and romance novel.

It is not written well, very sraight foreward and limited discription just a sequence of events. Why does everyone likes it so much I don't understand I mean...the idea isn't even original! Other vampire novels are largely similar and I doubt they were as hyped as Twilight.

Posted by: winxclubrox23 Nov 17 2009, 6:12 AM

Yeah, I read the first one right after the movie came out at see what it was about and pretty much threw it at a wall when I was done, annoyed with myself that I'd wasted perfectly good time reading that, that could have been better used to do most anything.

It's just like, boring. Not entertaining at all and has totally been done before, many times. Which explains why the author's getting sued for the 4th book I believe.

Posted by: Toriamelio Nov 19 2009, 5:07 AM

hey uh the book is like a teen/young adult book right? Then I quote.

Posted by: rano0oma Nov 19 2009, 9:31 AM

all i have to say is that twilight roooooooooooooooockzzzzzzzzzz!!!
they just showed it yesterday for the 100th time and i still watched it!!
i can't wait to see the 2nd movie!!

Posted by: P-girl Nov 19 2009, 12:29 PM

QUOTE (Toriamelio @ Nov 19 2009, 06:07 AM)

Posted by: SolarfireWinx Dec 15 2009, 5:56 PM

Lol, P-Girl's against Twilight? I'm shocked.

Posted by: Another Morning Dec 16 2009, 4:54 AM

So me, my friend who is also and anti, and my brother (one of the four males there) all went and saw the New Moon midnight premiere. I actually liked this movie better than the first. There was more intentionally amusing moments, the graphics for the wolves was done well, and the fighting was a LOT better than the first movie. So it was an improvement. But still...not really good. Looking forward to the RiffTrax!

Posted by: W.I.N.X Dec 16 2009, 6:59 AM

QUOTE (P-girl @ Nov 19 2009, 10:29 PM)

Posted by: P-girl Dec 16 2009, 8:00 AM

I think fans and anties alike were all 'What was she THINKING!?' on that one. Well, at least it unified the world a bit.....

Posted by: winxclub-joy Dec 16 2009, 8:11 AM

err....what can I say about twilight?

Humm, cute vampires, a big werewolf that you can bake cookies on his stomach? lol pardon me, I think this is what attracts me to Twilight and its saga =P

Posted by: Another Morning Dec 16 2009, 8:12 AM

Yeah, I know a lot of Twilight fans who think that at least parts of the last book were really dumb. That part and the Jacob falling in love with a baby made a lot of people feel really squicky :I Including myself.

Posted by: P-girl Dec 16 2009, 8:21 AM

See? Us antis are not so different from fans. And now that I've read the books, I can safely go and say that I don't like them. (They're BORING! I don't care how goodlooking that guy is, get to the ones wanting to rip your throat out! At least that's entertaining.)

Posted by: Another Morning Dec 16 2009, 8:33 AM

Man, yes :/ Nothing happens in those books. It's a lot of standing around and Bella thinking about how amazing Edward is and how she is dumb and unworthy, or about how much she hates hurting Jacob but will continue to do it anyways. The actual "plot" could be condensed into about two chapters (and it normally is, at the very end)

Posted by: P-girl Dec 16 2009, 8:38 AM

It could also be because, admittedly, I don't like romance in general.

Posted by: Jahnavi Dec 16 2009, 11:21 AM

Soooooo, I started re-reading Twilight, and I kinda wanted to post some of my comments somewhere... Would you guys mind if I posted some mini-reviews (slash nitpicking xD) on this topic? I wanted to share my opinion with you all. =D

Posted by: Another Morning Dec 16 2009, 11:30 AM

No, go for it! I love things like that =D

Posted by: W.I.N.X Dec 16 2009, 12:43 PM

Yes! Snark the heck out of them!

Although P-Girl, I've met rabids who think the whole birthing scene is so romantic and cool that Edward is saving her life. My respect for those people died a little when I heard that.

And re:Jacob falling in love with a baby, that creeped me out alot as well, although SMeyer claims it's not romantic until she's old enough. I don't think she realizes what child-grooming is O.O. Ahd considering the kid will basically be a seven-year-old in an eighteen-year-old's body when she's 'old enough'.....yick.

Posted by: P-girl Dec 16 2009, 2:20 PM

Ayup, Meyers got some sick, sick ideas. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind some unfit stuff in my book (Granted, some things go to far, but you get my point.....), but most of the times it's portrayed as wrong and just plain vile. Myers portrays it as Romantic and a nice thing to do!

No.... just..... no.....

And this is what the teenage girls (People who're quite vulnerable and impressionable, especially concerning romance and it's values) read nowadays? I fear for the literary world.....

Posted by: Another Morning Dec 16 2009, 2:40 PM

Speaking of Twilight recaps and whatnot, cleolinda on livejournal did some hilarious discussions and reviews http://cleoland.pbworks.com/Twilight I'd recommend it, as it basically expresses my exact same opinions. (Also, somewhere in there is a link to Growing Up Cullen, which is kind of adult but it's the funniest frigging thing I've read in my life)

Posted by: Jahnavi Dec 16 2009, 3:37 PM

QUOTE (P-girl @ Dec 16 2009, 07:20 PM)

Posted by: Jahnavi Dec 16 2009, 3:39 PM

QUOTE (P-girl @ Dec 16 2009, 07:20 PM)

Posted by: Jahnavi Dec 21 2009, 4:10 PM

So...drum-roll, please...here's my chapter-by-chapter S Meyer's Twilight series. Okay, that didn't really deserve a drum-roll, but still... xD

Anyway, I remember actually liking this series at first, before bland main characters and obsessive fan-girls pushed me over the edge, so I thought I'd give the books another shot, and I wanted to share my opinion with you guys.

Note: (Constructive) criticism is always welcome. But please keep it polite, and keep it sensible. I'm sorry if you and I don't share opinions, just don't read these reviews then.

So, anyway, let's get this show on the road. =D

(Preface and) Chapter One:

Wow, it really must've been a while since I first read this book, because I read the nine sentences of the preface, turned the page, and then actually checked if a page had fallen out, or something, because the preface seriously felt incomplete to me. If she was going for a cliffhanger, it really didn't have the desired effect. But maybe that's just me. Anyway, while the hunter smiled in a friendly way as he sauntered forward to kill Bella, I turned the page and started on the first chapter.
What I pretty much got from all of the chapter First Sight can be summarized into four simple words: Bella whines a lot. And no, I'm not trying to trash the book, if that's what you're thinking. It's just that Meyer pretty much displays that character trait of Bella in every other sentence she writes. And if you read on, I'll explain later how this is QED.
Anyway, the story starts with our heroine leaving her mother, and big, bright, warm Phoenix, Arizona, bound for the cold, dark, "inconsequential" town of Forks, in Washington, to move in with her Dad. The whining starts there too. Miss Swan never ceases to remind us of how she's making a big sacrifice by moving to Forks. and frequently complains about her decision. She clearly doesn't want to go to Forks, and is dreading going to school there. Sacrifices are hard, but Bella mentions it far too many times; it becomes really annoying. She's mentioned how much she doesn't want to live in Forks at least eight individual times. Yes, I counted. But if you're going to make a sacrifice, if you really want to, accept your unfortunate fate, and then BE QUIET ABOUT IT. If she's trying to gain my pity, the exact opposite is happening. I thought she was seventeen, not seven. And it would help if S Meyer explains exactly why she's leaving her mom. Since I've read the book before, I think I recall the reason coming up later in the story, but for now, at least, it seems pretty vague, which makes all that complaining entirely baseless.
Anyway, Bella lands in Washington, and the next few pages basically consist of a conversation with her dad. Her father's bought her a truck, and registered her for high school. Nice of him. Bella's relatively grateful, but sounded kind fo weird to me, in a couple of places. One of them is just before she lands in Port Angeles, where's she generally introducing us to who Charlie is. She says, "He [Charlie] seemed genuinely pleased that I was coming to live with him..."
...
Dude, he's your dad. Of course he's pleased! I doubt he has any ulterior motives.
Oh, and later, when he says he's found a car for her, she has this to say:
"I was suspicious of the way he say "good car for you", as opposed to just "good car"."
Again, why is she so suspicious of her father? Is she trying to convince us he's Police Chief Swan by day, cat burglar by night, or something...?
???
Moving on...
So they're driving through Forks, and all the green-ness scares Bella, apparently. She thinks Forks is "too green", even to the extent of saying, "Even the air filtered down greenly through the trees."
Okay, I am at a loss for witty comments. That sentence just made me go: "Uh, whaaaaaat...?"
...Anyway, Bella gets home, and starts to unpack. While doing so, she whines some more about the next day, just filling us all in on how much she's dreading starting high school at Forks. Oh, joy. She "stares dejectedly out of the window for a little while" and adds, "I wasn't in the mood to go on a real crying jag. I would save that for bedtime..." Two pages later, as promised: "I didn't sleep well that night, even after I was done crying."
Like I said before, being a little too dramatic, aren't we?
The next day, Bella's horrible high-school ordeal begins. Bella constantly acts like she's making a big sacrifice, but never really mentions what she had to leave behind in Phoenix. She must miss her mom, that's understandable. But other than that? Says she didn't fit in there, in fact. So what difference does it make if she starts out at a new school? She should look at the situation with a little more optimism. And if she thinks Forks High School is particularly unpleasant, it's partly her fault. Bella says she didn't find a niche to fit into in her last school, and I can see why. She doesn't bother to remember new classmates' names, jumps to conclusions about people without even getting to know them, mentions at least twice that she's already covered a lot of the coursework. Courtesy only goes so far, Bella. So many of the kids at school are friendly and genuinely helpful, and after all the complaining Bella's done about starting school here, I'd have thought she'd be grateful...
And finally...don't worry, I didn't leave this part out...she sees the Cullens in the cafeteria, at lunchtime. Of course, she's instantly enchanted by the strange, distant, beautiful group who didn't ever bother to give her a second glance before. Figures she'd be attracted by them, considering how she's been repulsed by anyone who's tried to be polite to her. She ends up sitting next to Edward Cullen in biology, surprise, surprise. However, he acts like he can't stand to be around her. (And frankly, from what I've learned about her so far, I don't blame the guy.) In fact, when she goes to the school office, at the end of the day, she finds Edward trying to switch out of the biology class he has with her. She can't believe someone who doesn't even know her could start to dislike her so easily. (So the way she's been acting towards her other classmates don't count, I expect). The chapter ends just the way it started, with Bella fighting back the urge to cry.
Like I said before, all this chapter has done is made me start to thoroughly dislike Bella's character, and we've only covered, what, 4% of the book? Wake me up when Jake, Alice or Emmett appear...

My take on Chapter Two will be up soon. And like I said before, comments are welcome. ^^

Posted by: Another Morning Dec 22 2009, 12:21 AM

Haha, nice, Jahn XD My mom looked at my funny because I kept laughing. And you pretty much had the same reactions I had when I first read it. Why does this girl complain so much? Why is she so disdainful of all these people who are trying to be nice to her? And from what I gathered, the whole move was self-imposed because she didn't want to travel around with her mom and her mom's new husband. So it's not like she can even complain that she was forced into it, she chose to move with her dad on her own. :/ Suck it up, Bella. Wilikers.