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post Jul 1 2012, 6:40 AM
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I plan to post notes and opinions on various changes that 4Kids made to the show in this topic (in episode order). It should be noted that I'm also the guy behind the "Winx Club: Cut It Out" website, so I'll have plenty to say about the changes.


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post Jul 1 2012, 6:54 AM
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That information would be most interesting


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post Jul 1 2012, 1:54 PM
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Indeed. Looking forward to it.
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post Jul 1 2012, 2:17 PM
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I'm also looking forward to it. I only know the really famous ones (Stormy's panties. Musa's backstory. Bloom's powers to bring people back from the death....) so I'm curious.
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post Jul 2 2012, 4:18 AM
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This'll be interesting :) I'd also love to know things from RAI which weren't shown in 4Kids (4Kids is the version I watch mostly so I knnow that one the most, although I am buying the RAI DVD's now)


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post Jul 2 2012, 4:39 AM
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Can't wait!
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post Jul 3 2012, 3:31 PM
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Okay, so here we go. I will start with the episode that started it all, "It Feels Like Magic", which had a big chunk at the beginning moved to the 2nd segment:

Unedited: Morning. Mom wakes Bloom up. Bloom quickly gets dressed. Bloom realizes she doesn't have school so she lies back on her bed. Mom sees the fairy book on the floor, and notes how she likes reading it, and then suggests that Bloom work at her shop.

Downstairs. Dad reads the paper. Bloom doesn't want to work at Mom's shop. She'd rather go somewhere fun with her friends. Dad says she can go wherever she wants when she's older. Bloom says she's already 16. Dad says that in a few weeks, they're going to have a beach vacation like they do every year, but Bloom says her friends go on holidays by themselves. Dad has a surprise.

Outside. A standard bicycle waits for Bloom. Bloom takes it unenthusiastically. Mom tells Dad that Bloom was likely expecting a scooter, but Dad says they're dangerous, and expensive. Mom suggests saving up some money to buy one.

Bloom is disappointed at the bike. Actually, she's more disappointed with her cheap dad for giving her just a bike, as she runs into Mitzi. Mitzi blah blahs about Bloom's usual beach trip, and says she'll be sending her a postcard from where she's vacationing. And then Mitzi yells at some guys handling her brand new scooter. Bloom bikes off to...

The park. She settles down for an apple, and then Kiko runs back screaming, before leading her straight to the battle between Stella and Knut. Blah blah blah. Bloom yells at Knut. Knut sends his minions after her and she creates a force-field, and she's not sure how it happened either. After giving another minion the stick, Knut grabs her and she begins to glow with fire, and it knocks Knut out. Stella picks up her scepter. More battling, blah blah blah, minion rips her pants, Knut teleports off, Stella faints, blah blah blah.

Edited: Bloom bikes off to the park. She settles down for an apple, and then Kiko runs back screaming, before leading her straight to the battle between Stella and Knut. Blah blah blah. Bloom yells at Knut. Knut grabs her and she begins to glow with fire, and it knocks Knut out. His minions comes after her and she creates a force-field, and she's not sure how it happened either. Stella picks up her scepter. More battling, blah blah blah, minion rips her pants, Knut teleports off, Stella faints, blah blah blah.

Morning. Mom sees the fairy book on the floor, and notes how she likes reading it. As soon as she mentions the girl downstairs and Bloom realizes that her Stella thing wasn't just another dream of hers, Bloom wakes up and quickly gets dressed.

Downstairs. Dad reads the paper. Blah blah blah, dad talks about how she used to play fairies when she was young. Bloom goes off to buy groceries as an alternate to cleaning the garage (4Kids cuts out Bloom getting the bike).

Biking around, Bloom doesn't notice anything magic at all today. Bloom runs into Mitzi. Mitzi blah blah blahs about how Bloom should throw away that bike, and yells at guys handling her brand new scooter. Bloom leaves.

I suspect that this was so that the show could begin with a fight scene, and I was told that it made sense for 4Kids to get the viewers' attention by having the fight first. OTOH, in one of my comparison videos, I pointed out that it creates a new continuity error, involving Bloom's pants going back to being unripped, and then back to being ripped again.

Another change worth noting is when Stella tells Bloom about Alfea with the postcard:

Unedited: Just a brief explanation of Alfea, nothing special here...

Edited: Instead of talking about just Alfea, Stella also mentions the other schools in the realm, with appropriate footage of the schools added in. She's even invited the RF guys over to help Bloom decide.


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post Jul 21 2012, 1:56 AM
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Moving on to the second episode "More Than High School", I begin with the pep talks used in both versions.

Unedited: (Griz) This school will be your home for the next five years. But this home can cease to be yours at any moment. The rules of this institution are based on discipline. Disregard these rules and I'll personally escort you to the front gate! This is not a magician's school. You're not here to learn hocus-pocus. Consequently, you may not use your powers in the hallways or other common areas. (counts to three on her fingers) In fact, the only place you may display your powers is in your classroom under your teacher's supervision. Is that clear Princess Stella? (Show lab damage) Thanks to you and your antics the potion laboratory will not be accessible until next month at the earliest. Now I think you know what not to do if you wish to stay... huh? (adjusts glasses) [B: You did that? S: So? My father paid for all the damages.]

(The other teachers make their grand entrance. Left to right, WizGiz, Palladium, FG, DuFour. FG: Sorry I'm late, I hope you'll excuse me.)

(FG and company meet the Griz) Ladies, here comes your headmistress. Attention!

(FG takes over from here) Oh really, there's no need to be so stodgy, I hope Ms. Griselda hasn't frightened you too much. Welcome to Alfea. The best fairy school in the whole of Magix. Mind you, it's also the only one. (walking up the stairs to the building) Come in ladies!

(Opens the door to the building) Here we are! And so we begin our orientation session, by the end of which we should all know each other better. Becoming a fairy is hard work, but I know that everyone here can do it. Keep in mind that the teachers and I are always here to help you. Okay, enough with the boring stuff, feel free to explore your surroundings. But be very careful. There are dangers lurking about. [S: "Stay away from the witches of Cloud Tower." Listen, that's what's coming up.] (Indeed it does...) Stay away from the witches of Cloud Tower. [The Griz: Alright, speeches are over, everyone's dismissed, you're free 'til dinnertime.] Good luck everybody, I'll see you tomorrow. Oh, and classes start at eight o'clock sharp, do be punctual. (Stella then gives an explanation about the schools in the realm)

Edited: (Griz) First things first, our code of behavior! The first rule is: you must follow all the rules in the code of behavior! (as she counts to three on her fingers) If you break the rules once, you will be turned into a frog. If you break the rules twice, your magic privileges will be suspended, and if you break the rules three times, you will be expelled. Isn't that right, Ms. Stella? (Show lab damage) Last year she destroyed the potions laboratory with an unauthorized magic spell. This brings me to the 2nd rule. (Back to the Griz) No unsupervised magic at any time! (adjusts glasses, makes "clearing throat" sound) [B: You really did that? S: I was trying to create a new shade of pink!] We believe that discipline's the only way to prepare you for the world out there! Which brings me to the 3rd rule: Stay away from the witches of Cloud Tower no matter what! We don't have a punishment for that, since nothing we could do would be as terrible as what they'll do to you if they catch you there. (It should be noted that the footage has been re-arranged quite a bit, and ends with a shot of CT, which was not there in the original)

(After a commercial, we cut straight to FG opening the doors and entering the building with the students... she takes over from here) Welcome all! I'm Ms. Faragonda, your head-mistress. I'm an Alfea alumna and a former fairy godmother. This year we have quite a wonderful class. Some of you will fight evil, others will grant wishes and many are princesses that will take over your realms. Each of you is unique. You all have different sources of power and diverse origins. But our mission is the same: To help each of you become the very best you can be [Stella mocks this line and adds: "She really loves saying that"]. Naturally we expect you to do your best at all times. [Griz: Now ladies! It's time to check into your dormitories and meet your roommates!] Remember everyone! Let's make this a great year! Oh, and of course use every opportunity to connect to your Winx! (Since they've already talked about the schools last ep, Stella then explains what Winx is)

I dunno, I'm partial to grand entrances myself.

Later in the dorm, there's much less of a culture clash in the edited version:

Unedited:
Stella: Speaking of food... whattaya say we eat out tonight? It'll be our way of celebrating the new school year.
Flora: Great idea. That'll give us a chance to get to know one another.
Bloom: Anyone for pizza?
Musa: What's "pizza"?
Flora: Yeah, what is it?
Bloom: It's the national dish of Callisto, more or less. (cut to the Griz watching them leave Alfea, then fade to bus)

Edited:
S: I have a brilliant idea. Whattaya say we get out here and go downtown for a pizza?
F: Great idea. Downtown Magix is so much fun!
B: What is it like?
M: It's FRESH!
F: You've never been???
B: No, but if we can grab a slice, I'm so there! (fade straight to bus)


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post Jul 21 2012, 5:17 AM
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Man, you sure take a lot of effort into this. Good job !
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post Jul 22 2012, 6:03 AM
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For the 3rd episode, the edited version loses about a minute and a half from the first few scenes, most importantly, a conversation between Bloom, Stella and Flora in the bedroom:

Unedited: Bloom tries hair transformation again, and her hair spikes up. Stella: "You're not paying attention! You're not concentrating hard enough!" Flora tells them that at least something happened, and Stella starts laughing. Flora walks over and sits next to Bloom on the bed. The three of them have a lengthy conversation about what's brought them to Alfea. The next day, Bloom and Flora are late for breakfast and have to sneak in to the cafeteria. Tecna is telling Bloom to watch out for the Griz, when FG announces the dance.

Edited: Bloom tries hair transformation again (we're told she was the only one who couldn't do it in class). Her hair spikes up. Stella: "You're a bigger project than I thought!" Fade to the cafeteria where Bloom continues whining about how hard it is, and Tecna is telling her that the first semester is always hard, when FG informs them about the school dance.

To me, the bedroom scene is more meaningful in the unedited version. As edited, it seems just a cheap gag. During my early days in the fandom, I was constantly being told that 4Kids had to make cuts for time in order to show Winx, and while I can see unimportant bits of scenes being trimmed for time, it raises the question on where the line should be drawn...

After the announcement of the dance (and a scene at CT), another cut:

Unedited: we see the Winx walking down the hallway talking about what they're going to do for the dance. Flora: Put up decorations. Musa: Take care of music. Stella: Get a dress. Show Stella showing her dress.
Edited: We cut straight to Stella showing her dress.

And now, a positive change by 4Kids, as Bloom tries to find a dress for the dance.

Unedited: Bloom has picked a dress for the school dance. It's very expensive, but Stella can pay for it with her card. Flora tells her not to, however: "You might offend her."

Edited: Bloom has picked a dress for the school dance. It's very expensive. Stella's card has been maxed out, so forget about Stella paying for it.

I usually try to defend the original, but there are lines I draw. The latter situation just seems more sensible.

Bloom tries to cut her dress:

Unedited: Bloom tries to look for scissors. Failing that, she tries using her fire powers to cut the dress. She hears something from outside, so she goes out to the balcony and sees the RF boys coming, and then she suddenly has to put out a fire on her dress icon_biggrin.gif before going through the hall in search of scissors.

Edited: We only see Bloom trying to find scissors, and then Bloom going out to the balcony to see the RF boys coming in.

Later, Bloom runs into the Trix trying to steal Stella's ring...

Unedited:
(The Trix land behind Bloom. Bloom drops Stella's ring box and starts walking backwards)
Bloom: Uh-oh, this isn't good, where are the others?
(Cut to Flora looking out the window from the ballroom)
Flora: Poor Bloom! The witches have got her cornered!
(Pull back from the ballroom window to a wide shot of Bloom and the Trix. Cut back inside, Flora runs to the others)
Flora: Bloom is in trouble!
Faragonda: Young ladies. It's time to offer(?) our guests. Come and join the others, and Musa will play something for us.
(Cue reaction, cut back to Bloom outside)

Edited:
(The Trix land behind Bloom. Cut to black. Fade to inside the ballroom where Flora joins the others.)
F: This prince asked me to dance...
FG: Young ladies. We just had a great idea! Princess Musa should perform a hip-hop number for our guests!
(Cue reaction, cut back to Bloom outside)

Personally, the edited version gives me the impression that the others didn't really care about Bloom at all. As for Musa as a princess, I can imagine 4Kids thought that it would be interesting for the least princess-y girl of the group to be one, and I guess you don't get much further from princess than low blue jeans and a love for hip-hop (the 4Kids dub peppers her dialog with hip-hop-isms, an aspect that many viewers apparently disliked).

After Bloom returns to the dance...

Unedited: Flora explains how they switched the ring, and we fade out to Icy discovering the duck in her egg.
Edited: These scenes are switched, so after Icy discovers the duck in her egg (and her reaction has been cut out), Flora provides a quick recap of what happened at the party to Bloom.


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post Jul 24 2012, 6:01 AM
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I think that it sucks that 4kids edited out scenes like the bedroom one where they talk about how they got to alfea. I personally like learning about the backstories of the characters and wish I would have seen that when first watching the show. Like you said, it would have made it a lot more meaningful.
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post Jul 24 2012, 3:07 PM
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Today, we deal with Bloom naming the group The Winx Club. The content of the scene wasn't significantly different (except for a W.i.t.c.h. reference in the 4Kids version), but the main issue is where it happened.

Unedited: Happens at the end of 1x02 (1x04 ends with Bloom checking on Stella in her room, and she's mumbling about Fake!Sky in her sleep).

Edited: Happens at the end of 1x04 (1x02 ends after FG and the Griz send the girls back to the dorm, and the scene with Stella in the bedroom is missing altogether).

I got a response suggesting that the later placement is better, but I'd like to see your opinions.

For that matter, there's another issue of the name itself.

Unedited: She makes the name up randomly.
Tecna: Yes, but what does Winx mean???
Bloom: Nothing, just "Winx".

Edited: The term "Winx" is the show's supposedly hip term for magic (I know, the edited 1x02 has its own explanation but whatever).
Tecna: So, our name is "Winx" then?
Bloom: Better. We're the "Winx Club".

Personally, I think it makes sense that the group has a unique identifier for themselves, and it's more meaningful at the end of the season when FG says "I've decided to renew the concept of the modern fairy with a new word: Winx." Most everyone else seemed to prefer Winx to have some sort of (rather generic) meaning, though... (and it's also been pointed out that the comic has a different explanation for the name)


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post Jul 26 2012, 1:09 AM
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Episode 5, and we begin with the girls peeling potatoes in the kitchen.

Unedited:
Bloom: Ah, I hate doing kitchen duties. I just don't get it...
Musa: What is it that you don't get, Bloom?
Bloom (as Kiko peels and eats a whole potato icon_biggrin.gif): Why a school for fairies can't use magic to cook dinner? It doesn't make sense. (she throws off her apron and goes next to the door) All you've got to do is wave the magic wand, snap your fingers, wiggle your nose a couple of times and voila! Everything's ready without any effort.
(Master Sfoglia, the chef, barges in.)
Chef: However, home-cooked meals taste a lot better, and are much healthier.
(Chef Guy then goes ahead and complains that Musa's taking off too much skin from the spuds for the side dish, and then tells them not to forget to flip the omelettes cooking on the stove right now. Yada yada yada. Egg on face!)
Chef: I'll have a word with the headmistress about giving you a permanent exemption from kitchen duties! (wipes face) You young fairies cause more trouble than help! Now I must clean up before dinnertime, so keep an eye on the roast.
(Flora does this. Yada yada yada, Stella's date, blah. The roast is on fire, and everyone runs to the kitchen, where the Griz puts out the fire. Foam on face!)
Griz: Get back to work immediately, you hear me?! Dinner must not be delayed! Do your best, girls!
Bloom: Bread and cheese okay for you guys, hmm?
(Later that night, Flora and Bloom enter their room together, Flora goes to bed, and Kiko tucks her in. In the common area...)
Musa: Anyway, I wanna go out too, with or without a date.
Bloom (coming out of her room): Well... it certainly would be better if someone asked us out.
Tecna: I've not been programmed for dating.
Bloom: You should try it anyway. It's fun!
Tecna: What's fun about dating? It is an experience of irrelevant value!
Bloom: You've nothing to lose then!
Musa: Yeah, why don't you ask Timmy out?
Tecna (ignoring them): Good night girls, I'm going to switch myself off now!
(Bloom and Musa giggle, and then they yawn.)

Edited:
B: You know what? I'll feel like a dork if this doesn't work.
M: Well, where'd you find the formula?
B (while Kiko eats the potato): It was in Vanity Fairy's new self improvement guide, so I mean, it should work. (she throws off her apron and goes next to the door) A thousand potatoes, a bushel of flipweed, a magic backflip, and you're making good decisions all the next day. It said good judgment is guaranteed.
(Maestro barges in, and complains about the Winx using the kitchen [the potions lab was signed out], the girls using his potatoes for their project, and complains about the omelettes: they were just making their own dinner. Yada yada yada. Egg on face!)
Maestro: Normally I would find this funny, but as I am the one with egg on my face, I do not laugh. (wipes face) Now wrap this project up. You might want to be done by the time the headmistress gets here.
(Flora checks on roast flipweed. Blah blah blah, Stella's date, blah. Flipweed's on fire. The sequence of the girls running to the kitchen has two extra bits added. Griz puts out fire. Foam on face!)
Griz: Since you're having such a good time in the kitchen, you can spend the rest of the night here... cooking dinner for the entire school!
(M: "She didn't say that while we're here...")
B: ...we couldn't still finish the potion, hmm?
(Insert scene of witches talking about their trap. Back at Alfea... cut straight to the common area where Musa is)
M: And what is Riven's problem??? Why doesn't he ask me out like Sky did Stella? (T: Wot???) I'm just saying. Well???
B (coming out of her room): I've taken the potion, and it should start working in the morning.
T: Musa wants to go out with Riven!
B: But she was so mega-rude last week!
T: Well, I did read that some boys will act rude simply because they are crushing.
B: Yeah, that could be it.
M: So you think I should call him???
T: Ask tomorrow, when her good judgment spell kicks in.
(Bloom and Musa giggle. Jump cut to the next day.)

I can understand why 4Kids removes things for time and such. But here, 4K inserts a scene from a different episode, and uses it to reveal a key plot point to boot. Surely someone would appreciate not knowing Stella was captured until later at the "restaurant"...

The next day, "Stella" asks Bloom where her ring is.

Unedited: Bloom tells "Stella" to calm down (paraphrase: "Calm down, I don't recognize you"). Instead, "Stella" just attacks her.

Edited: Bloom reminds "Stella" that she just gave it to her last night ("I don't have to tell you, I've got it. You gave it to me last night, you said keep an eye on it"). "Stella" then tries attacking her to get her to give her the ring.

It doesn't make sense for "Stella" to react that way in the dub, and I'm not the only one who thinks this.

The girls decide to question Fake!Sky about last night's date... turns out he never had any plans for a date:

Unedited: Fake!Sky was busy exercising until night
Edited: Fake!Sky was punished for the troll's escape last week

All I'm going to say is: As edited, it makes more sense to attach current events to previous ones.

So, Bloom has just given Stella's ring to the witches. At the bridge near the "restaurant"...

Unedited: Tecna does not take Bloom's decision well at all.
Tecna: We could have beaten them... it was four-on-four.
Bloom: A battle could have made things worse. To me, the exchange was the best possible option bar none.
Tecna: But who are you to decide for all of us??? You're not the boss!!!
Flora: Tecna, I would have done the same thing.
(brief pause)
Bloom: They might have scored a goal, but the game isn't over yet.
Stella: What are you talking about???
Bloom: What??? You don't have soccer on your planets?
Flora: What's soccer???
Bloom: Come, I'll show you. It's a game you play with a ball. Let's take this for example (indicating can on ground).
Tecna: That's not a ball.
Stella: It's just an example, Tecna...
Bloom: Now... it goes like this. (grunts as she kicks the can)

Edited: Everyone defends Bloom's decision just fine (even though Tec thought it was a four-on-three battle), and Stella would have loved to have had some of that potion Bloom took the other night...
T: Then you might have known not to go out on a date???
B: Hey, you know what? Last night I almost forgot to mix in the mandrake beet. Who knows what would have happened???
T: No wait! You're supposed to mix in a mandrake root, not a beet!!!
F: Wait, she got the potion wrong? You know what this means???
B: I sure do Flora. This totally rules!!!
S: Bloom, what are you talking about???
B: I'm a natural good decision maker!
F: You didn't need the potion. Just thinking you took it gave you confidence.
B: You know girls? The witches may have scored a goal, but they haven't won the game.
T: What game?
S: It's an expression, Tecna...
B: Don't worry. (S: Huh?) We're gonna get that ring back! (kicks the soda can on the grass)

I didn't like the addition of the potion to the plot, for two reasons: 1) Bloom doesn't always make the best decisions (next episode, for instance), and 2) We don't actually see the potion being mixed or taken.


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post Jul 26 2012, 7:54 AM
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Thanks for all the information. Its a shame they also used the word soccer not football. As it just feels like an attempt to push it in America


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post Jul 27 2012, 4:51 AM
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I also found it weird that they used the word soccer in the unedited version. I would have expected that in the 4kids (american wording) one. I also agree about the whole potion thing. I remember when I first saw that episode and being annoyed because they never showed them finishing the potion or taking it, and like you said Bloom doesn't always make great decisions.
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post Jul 27 2012, 4:38 PM
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Two episodes in a row now, starting with three quick edits from episode 6... First, Faragonda talks to Bloom about the great dragon:

Unedited: FG knows about the dragon and stuff, nothing special here...

Edited: There's some discussion about a restricted book on the dragon that only showed a single paragraph to Bloom, but showed FG two whole chapters once, which is how she learned about the dragon stuff.

Second, the Winx arrive at CT.

Unedited: Bloom thinks they need a map, and then she hears Darcy yelling at Knut, so they don't need a map to know where the Trix's room is.

Edited: Tecna has a map of CT loaded. So, she knows where the Trix's room is. (We do not hear Darcy yelling at Knut.)

I dunno, the unedited seems funnier. Other replies seemed to agree.

Third up is when FG decides to punish the Winx by revoking their powers, even though she's fairly sure they have a relevant excuse (the Griz doesn't think so, though).

Unedited: Stella says something like, "You wouldn't do that, would you?" FG: "There are few things I wouldn't do, and this isn't one of them."

Edited: Stella insists that the witches started it (which is what Bloom was trying to do earlier), but FG cuts her off and revokes their powers.

You'd think that Stella would try to defend herself from punishment than challenge the headmistress...

Moving on to episode 7, with Lady Griffin at the cafeteria after the Trix's spat with Mirta.

Unedited: She announces that there will be no entertainment period this evening. Icy decides to trash Alfea while they're at their little concert to get even with the Winx for trespassing. (They then later decide to search for the Dragonfire because Icy has a suspicion...)

Edited: She announces that Alfea's concert has pushed their benefit to a lesser venue. Hearing about the concert, Icy decides to go over to Alfea to trash the school.

I thought it made more sense for Icy to find out about the concert from Griffin than for her to just know about it, but someone else replied that it made no difference. HUH.

This one I heard about:

Unedited: There's a shot of Riven carrying Musa after the minotaur attack.

Edited: That shot has been cut out.

Fast forward to the end for the other edit:

Unedited: FG thinks of the Winx, and says to herself... "Tomorrow, the roses will bloom. Who knows? One day you might also blossom."
Edited: FG thinks about the Dragonfire.


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post Jul 29 2012, 6:10 AM
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Another two-in-one post, starting with Episode 8. So, the Trix want to make Riven have a hoverbike crash, and blame Bloom for it...

Unedited: Icy and Stormy are somewhat not entertained at the idea of Darcy being concerned for Riven. (They then walk off in disgust when Darcy romances him.)

Edited: Icy and Stormy want Darcy to romance Riven as part of the plan. Unlike in the original, she does this with a spell, rather than relying on Riven not trusting Bloom. (In the original, one gets the impression that the spell is for healing Riven.)

Quite a few US viewers preferred the edited version where the plan is concerned, and I suppose I can't really disagree with that... As for Darcy's romance spell (or lack thereof), I got replies preferring both versions.

Moving on to episode 9, we start with Stella and Flora watching Bloom sleeping...

Unedited: Flora comes into Stella's room and tells her to go check out Bloom. Bloom is transforming in her sleep, and Flora and Stella find it very weird. While Flora's considering what to do next, Stella starts to get pretty loud and wakes Bloom up from her sleep. (Error: We see Bloom under her blanket in the wide shot, then we see her whole body transforming into her Winx form in close-up.)

Edited: We only see Stella and Flora watching Bloom transforming in her sleep, and Flora refers to it as a sign that her powers are evolving. Fade out to the morning. (Also, the error with the blanket has been fixed.)

Hmm...

Stella has been a bit snippy at Bloom and Musa today. As Musa runs on to the bus for Magix after being ticked off at Stella's comment about Riven, Stella (who was trying to follow) crashes into Bloom.

Unedited: Stella just doesn't know what's gotten into her today. Later, Flora elbows her in the RF plane as she starts going on and on about all the couples.

Edited: Stella has been "spelled" by the seniors for trying to give them fashion tips (somehow, Bloom figures the latter part herself icon_biggrin.gif). Later, Flora fixes her in the RF plane as she starts rambling on and on.

I didn't like this change so much because you never see the act happen, when it's somewhat important to the plot. OTOH, I have received other opinions suggesting that it was more kid-friendly and amusing to have the spell, and it seemed in character for Stella to get into trouble like this.

Musa sees Riven going out with Darcy at a downtown cafe:

Unedited: Musa encounters Icy at the cafe. Musa slaps her (though we're never shown the actual act). Stormy even sees her fingerprints in the slap mark. Icy snaps to call the other witches in the cafe.

Edited: Musa encounters Icy at the Hex Cafe. Musa casts a wart on her. Stormy points at it. (The picture has been edited.) Icy snaps to remove the wart (the original slap mark was still visible at this point, and 4Kids has removed it).

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post Jul 30 2012, 4:45 PM
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I hate the 4kids edit of Musa and Icy. A slap just seems like the more natural thing to do in that kind of situation but I suppose 4kids didn't find it appropriate for children. However in a way I don't mind the edit about Stella giving bad fashion advice because it does seem like something she would do and added a little extra story plot to the season.
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post Aug 1 2012, 3:58 PM
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Moving on to episode 10, which has a particularly bad change in it. First though, the start of the episode gets rearranged a bit:

Unedited: At the well, the girls talk about getting to see the simulator -> The Trix take out their crystals (while saying something like, "Hey, Bloom has the same level of power as the dragon, so let's test her") -> The Trix yell at Knut (who bumbles in asking, "Why are we looking for the Dragonfire?"... to the brooms icon_biggrin.gif) -> Palladium shows the chamber and tests -> Bloom talks with Fake!Brandon about tomorrow's exam -> Riven and Darcy -> Darcy hacks the simulator

Edited: At the well, Bloom talks with the others about being asked out on a date with Fake!Brandon -> Bloom talks with Fake!Brandon about tomorrow's exam -> Riven and Darcy -> Palladium shows the chamber and tests -> The Trix take out their crystals (while explaining the plan to steal Bloom's powers) -> The Trix yell at Knut (who bumbles in talking about dried coriander lubosum for potion... to the brooms icon_biggrin.gif) -> Darcy hacks the simulator

I note this because in both versions of the date, Bloom talks about her midterms coming tomorrow. While that makes sense in the original, moving up the date means that Darcy doesn't hack the simulator until the night after, and the exams are one day later than they "should" be.

Second is a somewhat minor edit. Palladium explains the midterms:

Unedited: Pally's offering two choices. Counter witches' spells (Flora eventually takes this one), and reviving a dead planet (we see Bloom and Stella take this one: Bloom asks for the most desolate planet, and the chamber picks Domino for her).

Edited: The midterm for everyone will be surviving a dead planet, and the chamber will pick for them.

I had no real opinion on this, but others pointed out that it wouldn't make sense for Flora to counter witches' spells, when reviving a dead planet is right up Flora's alley (yes, 4Kids does use the d-word). Can't argue with that I suppose... (though I did have a rather entertaining exchange with someone who thought taking out the other option was stupid)

The Trix taking out their crystals:

Unedited: The Trix have a picture of Bloom using her powers in their triangle.

Edited: The Bloom picture has been replaced with a picture of the Trix instead. (Picture)

The Trix go after Kiko to get Bloom to use her Dragonfire.

Unedited: Icy zaps Kiko, and Bloom watches futilely as he drops into the lava. Shocked, Bloom gets even with the Trix and DFs them.

Edited: While Kiko was sneaking into Bloom's bag before the exam, Bloom found a protection spell in one of her books. Icy zaps Kiko, and Bloom tries the spell she just read earlier as he drops into the lava. Shocked, Bloom gets even with the Trix and DFs them.

At the time, I only knew about the protection spell, and I wasn't sure if not explaining Kiko surviving the lava fall was a good idea, and one of the replies said something similar. I later discovered that in the 4K version, Palladium made a point of saying that "While the world is virtual, the reality is not. When it's cold, you will really feel cold, and if rock falls and hits you, believe me, you will feel it." I suppose that this makes the exam genuinely dangerous and more exciting (especially for Kiko in this particular situation...)

Last but not least, the end of the episode, and that really bad change:

Unedited: The simulator has crashed, and the exams have been postponed. Everyone throws Bloom in the air over and over. End episode.

Edited: The simulator has crashed, and Bloom's gotten a A+ grade, while the exams have been postponed. Everyone throws Bloom in the air over and over. Over at CT, the Trix's attempt to use the DF goes kerflooey with no explanation whatsoever. End episode.

This particular edit got my attention, as when the ep first aired in the US (back before most people knew the show was altered), many viewers complained that the ending didn't make any sense, and they should have used the potion ingredients bit to explain. I'd have thought it would have been easier to just stick to the original script...


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Moving on to episode 11, we begin with Flora planting plants all around the dorm.

Unedited: Flora is preparing for her upcoming exams that have been postponed (re last ep). Musa is in her room, reading a text book, also preparing.

Edited: Flora is working on a potion to protect them from the witches (this is also true of the original, but that's just for the exam). Musa is in her room, reading sheet music. (The picture has been edited.)

Later on, the Winx are all at the swamp Flora has moved herself to. We have another instance of 4Kids spoiling a key plot point long before it's supposed to be revealed...

Unedited: Blah blah blah about the Cheerful Gladiolus. Its essence counters the witches' sadness spell. It's very skittish, and doesn't let itself get picked (so Flora plans to get it to extend one of its petals, and use her cloning liquid on it). The Winx tramp around the swamp, and Flora is surprised to suddenly discover a colony of nymphs. They say that they keep a low profile, and then they complain about the problems in getting the leaves they need to make their bubble homes.

Edited: Blah blah blah about the Cheerful Gladiolus. Only one exists, and it's owned by a nymph-run junior league, thus, Flora's cloning liquid. Stella is worried there might be something out there... (Insert shot of monster tree to end the first act) The Winx tramp around the swamp, and Flora finds the league. They talk about the work they do, and then they complain about the problems in getting their food.

Visual edit:

Unedited: The screen on Tecna's computer is somewhat plain, and shows a simple graph.

Edited: Tec's screen has color, and a more intricate graph. (Picture)


The Winx discover a monster tree lying on a turtle shell.

Unedited: Bloom shoots at the tree. Then she gets the idea to shoot at the roots, and they char up.

Edited: Bloom shoots at the tree. Flora casts a spell that allows the tree to burn at its roots. Bloom shoots the roots, and they char up.

At the end:

Unedited: Flora is sure to ace her test now that she's gotten the flower she wants (courtesy of the nymphs, who say the flower let itself be picked), Flo mentions that Stella's test is tomorrow (B-O <- smiley of Stella's reaction). Both of these are followed up on in the next episode.

Edited: Flora's gotten the flower, and she decides to put it in Stella's room so it can get the most sunlight (insert Stella's reaction).


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