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Posted by: MorriganAensland Jan 30 2009, 2:50 PM

My first Gaijin 6koma!!!! ^_^

Posted by: P-girl Jan 30 2009, 2:53 PM

I kinda understand the humor, but a..... what?

Oh, and is it wrong for me to interpretate [sic] that as 'Hard-core anime fanboys don't appreciate other kinds of animation'?

Posted by: MorriganAensland Jan 30 2009, 4:09 PM

Well, I didn't intend it that way, but I guess it could come across like that.

But there's a whole genre of fancomics known as Gaijin 4koma. It follows a general template, although it does have twists sometimes. The "usual" pattern is some image, showing the guys are uninterested, the second image which is somehow related, and the guys excited. Those images of the guys are taken from E3 a few years ago, with shots taken of them when Shigiru Miyamoto revealed the fact he was going to release an old Pacman game on the Gamecube (uninterested), and then Twilight Princess (excited).

Yes, I'm opionated and refuse to give the Winx Club (or WITCH) a genuine chance and that is probably bigoted. But it's also a case that the actual plot of Nanoha just seems more appealing to me, with a more assertive and driven Magic Girl who mainly acts on her own, learns from her mistakes quickly, and genuinely likes her job.

Or maybe this is all me rationalizing my desire to despise all European works ever since Asterix and the Falling Sky, which utterly vilified anime and manga and portrayed it as an irredeemable threat to the noble and pure western animation and one that should be stamped off the face of the Earth.

Posted by: P-girl Jan 30 2009, 4:21 PM

Ah, okay, I see.

Don't get me wrong, if you dislike Winx or W.I.T.C.H. (Such a hassle to type.....), because it doesn't appeal you, it's your right.

I'm just always a bit sad that Western animation is always seen as inferior to Anime on the internet (At least in certain circles), I mean, I've had tons of converations that went kinda like this:

'What kind of series do you like?'
'Dragon Hunters'
'What is it?'
'Well, it's this French cartoon that.....'
'It sucks.'
'But I haven't even.....'
'It's not anime, so it's not worth my time'

Okay, maybe not exactly like that, and I'm generalising, I know (I hoped I haven't stepped on any toes), but in certain circles, saying you prefer Western animation over Anime is a surefire way to be branded as a moron (Avatar might get a pass, but for the rest.....).

Posted by: MorriganAensland Jan 30 2009, 5:23 PM

Well, I'm more disappointed in the unachieved potential of Western works.

Now, I still have a soft spot for older Spongebob episodes and I LOVE Chowder. And Megas XLR is a great work too, and the same goes for Beast Wars (and Beast Machines is halfways decent if you treat it as a stand-alone series completely unrelated to the canon). You and Zhanneel got me into Avatar too and I thought that was an exception piece of work.

And from what Wiki says, that Dragon Hunters thing can't be too bad. Sure, it seems a little basic, but I'm chalking that up to a meager Wiki entry compared to the ginormous one for some anime and it's got the courage to go and reconstruct the old "vicious dragon" image that was around prior to The Hobbit.

Posted by: Zentron Jan 30 2009, 5:47 PM

Well I am an Anime fan-boy, but I still watch shows that have been American animated, or French, or Italian, even Russian! But they hardly ever amaze like Anime does!

Also.... I had best change the name of the topic to 'Zen's Fan & Original'!! (mods/admins, please change topic to this title please!)

Posted by: P-girl Jan 30 2009, 5:48 PM

Dragon Hunters is definately worth a look, even if it's just for the intro (Nice art, and a song by 'The Cure'), and the nice music. (Not at all like the intro, but very creative nonetheless.)

I understand your 'Missed potential' deal.
Many cartoons I've watched have great potential, but they tend to focus on one thing and leave other things hanging. I think Skyland's a good one. The setting and characters are extremely interesting, but a combination of akward animation and to much focus on the two main characters (Child prodigy Lena and Reckless teenage brother Mahad) leaves much to be desired (Mahad needs a comeuppance, BAD). Now that I think about it, that's my main complaint about most Western animation (See: Winx. I try to prevent bashing her, but yeah, it's to much about Bloom).

There are exceptions, like Avatar, Transformers; Animated and Galactik Football, in my opinion.

Posted by: Zhanneel Jan 31 2009, 5:12 PM

Not to forget the 80s and 90s! There are a plethora of more-than-just-decent cartoons from the past. I still love Western animation (something about how their proportions are *generally* more proportional and realistic), but I have soft spots for a collection of anime too. It is kind of sad that the majority of well made Western animations are behind us now. But I blame 3D for that one. Everyone has all but chucked the desire to continue making 2D productions.

(Edit: just a thought...I feel kind of bad since the topic went in a different direction than the topic-creator intended, but maybe an admin could move the non-Zentron/fan art posts to a new topic?)

Posted by: P-girl Jan 31 2009, 5:17 PM

Fixed! Mod-powers for the Win!

Posted by: Zhanneel Jan 31 2009, 5:20 PM

Wow, lightening speed! Ask and you shall receive! In like seconds, lol.

Posted by: MorriganAensland Jan 31 2009, 5:34 PM

Nice! Thanks, P-Girl!

Posted by: P-girl Jan 31 2009, 5:38 PM

You're both welcome.

Posted by: MorriganAensland Jan 31 2009, 6:05 PM

You know, it's actually kinda funny.

Transformers was originally a Japanese toyline trying to get in on the success of "robots that turn into vehiciles" that was spawned by the Machine Robo toys. The toys are eventually brought over here and Transformers gets a cartoon which is successful before being shipped off to Japan. It's popularity spawns numerous toy lines and series, even including actual movies, and it blows Machine Robo out of the water.

Then Machine Robo (known in the States as Go-bots) tries to follow up with their Hanna Barbera cartoon (Challenge of the Go-bots) and is derided as a weak ripoff. Machine Robo got some genuine anime afterwards that did better, but of the various Machine Robo anime only the first one (Machine Robo: Revenge of Cronos) was considered to be something genuinely unique.

Posted by: P-girl Jan 31 2009, 6:13 PM

Yeah....

I also think it's funny, that out of all the different forms of Tranformers (Cartoon, 3D animation, Anime, Movie), the anime fares the worst, critically speaking.
But that might just be me.

Posted by: MorriganAensland Jan 31 2009, 6:29 PM

The problem is probably they're too focused on pushing merchandise. Regulations for airing commercials for toys is much more lax in Japan, and Bandai is *notorious* for pushing staff members for shows to introduce elements merely for the sake of more toys to sell. That's what made Tomino hate making Victory Gundam so much and it nearly did in G Gundam until the director decided to just say "Screw you" and made a story with an actual plot rather than a forgettable tournament story.

Posted by: mightymarty2 Jan 31 2009, 7:23 PM

i would if it was life or death choose anime as my favourite out of cartoons and anime is bleach.

Though there are good one mentioned above also the old classic cartoons taz, donald duck, house of mouse etc

Posted by: MorriganAensland Jan 31 2009, 7:46 PM

I vaguely remember Taz. It was good.

But Freakazoid rocked. I love how they have episodes up on youtube.

Posted by: Abdu 6b Feb 2 2009, 1:17 AM

I loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooovvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeee anime.

Posted by: P-girl Feb 2 2009, 10:16 AM

Reasons? Not that you have to defend your opinion, I just want a topic filled with more then just 'Cartoons rock' and 'I love anime!'

Posted by: Zhanneel Feb 3 2009, 1:50 AM

I just barely remember Freakazoid (since you reminded me of it a bit ago Morri). What an awesome show. Animaniacs was also pretty dang funny too. My favorite were the god pigeons. The trio for the win!

Posted by: Boo Feb 7 2009, 4:51 AM

Hmmm... I may have an unpopular opinion here, but I dislike anime.

It's moreso the typical show content then animation style... though the drawing style does tend to bug me for no good reason at all. I think the reason I have a problem with it goes back to when I first viewed an anime program in whole (it involved being partially incoherent at one o'clock in the morning along with a bunch of my friends at age 12 or 13 or so... The anime, as I remember, was rated M and I wasn't supposed to be watching it, but since it was on the TV, I couldn't help it (mind you I was half asleep). Long story short: it scared me greatly.)

What also unnerves me about it is the fact that it's definition even includes: usually contains explicit and/or violent material... Personally, if I was the viewer, I wouldn't care, but my younger sibling is the one who watches anime, so I constantly feel the need to monitor what she is viewing because of the cartoon's usual nature, and that contributes to my dislike for it.


Another note: Since I've grown up surrounded by western style animation, I'm accustomed to it, so, I would pick it over anime. Although I do like the fact that most anime is detailed versus some very, very plain western style cartoons, I would still have to pick what I'm used to.


So really, my opinions shouldn't be considered valid for discussion or such, since it has been tainted with personal experience rather then approaching the question from a logical and/or unbiased standpoint.

Posted by: Zhanneel Feb 7 2009, 5:43 AM

(This got a lot longer than what I expected to write...not exactly a rant, just a clarification. Sorry it's so long!)

It's funny how much I agree with you on what you just said. I also haven't been a major fan of anime, but I will say there are a small collection I have grown to like or even love--but it has to go under much scrutiny before I'm willing to admit I like it. There's the good anime (which I tend to think of as nice animation coupled with good plot/dialogue), bad anime (stuff that just makes you want to bang your head because it's so cheap/stupid/lame/corny/uncreative/etc), and the unmentionable stuff (which is what really gives anime its bad name--lots of stupid adult anime that I don't appreciate at all). One group, Studio Ghibli, along with Hayao Miyazaki, have saved the whole franchise for me. Though he's not exactly anime style, he's not quite Western either. I'd say a good mix, and I really like it too.

My contention with anime has to do with the bad ones ruining it for the good ones. And more often than not it's the bad ones that get talked about and watched too often. I gave up looking for good anime when all I could find were ones that disappointed me in more ways than one. The Japanese animation style is okay, but there are things that bother me personally (i.e. big googly eyes--just never been a fan). But then there are things I like about anime, such as detail, like you said Boo. After that it's the cheap eye candy for guys, the high amount of drama, and reoccurring plots that do it in for me (no offense if anyone does happen to like these things). Not that Western animation doesn't have its equal faults either, but because I grew up on it for the most part it's what I've come to love. I can respect anime and even grow to love some of it, but I don't think it will ever win me over. The creators would have to make some pretty big changes to do that, and I doubt they're willing to do that for the people like me sitting on the fence still debating.

As to why I like Western style cartoons so much I think a lot of it has to do with the more realistic proportions the characters typically have. Not too many characters with legs that go on for miles, or dangerously spiky hair (though sometimes I do like the hair styles of anime ^_^), chest sizes that look ridiculous on anorexic-looking females, and faces that have unrealistic features or no features and look almost all the same (i.e. pointy noses, huge eyes). Now, if an anime is done well I'm not one to hold the animation style against it. After all, it is nice to watch anime sometimes if only because it is so different from what I'm used to watching and seeing. But I like to watch Western animation because the people tend to seem more human to me, feature-wise. I think a lot of people may find that boring, which is maybe why so many people watch anime. However, I'm worried that some people who watch anime may get a little brainwashed into thinking what people are supposed to look like. Let's just say I have a male friend in real life who will probably never have a girlfriend because he's standards aren't real and I'm not even sure he appreciates what real women look like. X_X I actually like that it's normal and "boring", because that's how I look in real life. Again, I know there's some Western animation that doesn't really look realistic and there's some anime that actually detours away from the "fantasy"-like style I've come to correlate to anime. I'm actually hoping more animes start to blend more animation styles like I've seen recently.

Anyway, I hope that all made sense and that I didn't offend anyone. It's really all just personal things that bug me, but I can respect both styles.

Posted by: Asher Omega Feb 7 2009, 7:30 AM

I can understand being mentally scarred from watching something you shouldn't. I can't watch the (In)Famous Anime classic Akira because of one scene that I watched while I was eight. I had nightmares for weeks after that. doesn't stop me from watching some really good stuff. I mean there are western (and some european) animations that I absolutely love, but one thing I tend to lean towards is more plot wise. I can stand some "imperfections" as long as the story is very engaging. but if its got a boring story and a very stylized animation that revolts me I won't watch it no matter who or what recommends it. but there are a few exceptions to some of my personal preferences. I like plot, but sometimes I just want to watch something that just doesn't need complex thought and let my brain relax.

One anime that I love, but just about everyone I've shown it to has been really displaced by it. its name is Cromartie High. the animation style is very realistic (by japan's animation standards) and yet the plot is very convoluted. the main character joins a high school that is full of delinquents. and it just takes off and runs with it. another that like is the movie/series Ghost in the Shell, its got some stylization but its sometimes within reason.

Some of the western animation that I like is the Old Disney movies, the one I've most recently watched is The Black Cauldron. yes its based off a book series, but its still very good. I don't really watch much western animation lately mostly due to the way its being made. yes its realistic looking but how the characters interact feels very 2 dimensional to me. I could honestly predict how the show was going to go within 5 minutes of the intro. not that there are exceptions to that, but its mostly of the more recent era of western animation that I can do that with.

and in case anyone was wondering what Cromartie looks like here's the intro. and yes they are drawn like that all the way through the anime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe7kMlgCqLw

Posted by: MorriganAensland Feb 7 2009, 2:26 PM

Well, you do raise a very good point about anime, Boo. The problem is many Westerners don't seem to grasp that many anime are *not* intended for children, and yet people pick them up anyways. I've heard of stories both of parents getting the adult versions of Ninja Scroll OR the Devilman OVA for their little kids.

You can't just pick a show randomly and hope it work. That's why at my mom's library, you have to be eighteen to take out any of our anime DVDs if they're in their own section.

Posted by: Zhanneel Feb 7 2009, 3:02 PM

I watched parts of that youtube clip Asher. Very interesting drawing style. I like =). It's different, an interesting take on realism. Good example of an anime that doesn't conform to the typical drawing style. I think the Black Cauldron and I know for sure Sleeping Beauty practiced a little bit of rotoscoping which helped make the characters' movements look more realistic. I always kind of liked that effect. Now I'm getting very nostalgic for old 2D Disney =(.

Posted by: Boo Feb 7 2009, 3:33 PM

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who doesn't care for it much.
(By the way, don't worry about "talking too much", I'm 100% positive that I do it a lot here too. I blame these fingers for giving me the ability to type faster then I should.)

I agree about it being realistic, though I have seen a vast many western cartoons that aren't. I could spend days ranting about how oddly drawn and crudely inappropriate some cartoons on stations such as Cartoon Network and such are, but I'll spare you all of that. There are some gems, though, that have a good drawing style and an alright plot. I really haven't seen a cartoon I couldn't nitpick at, though (but that's probably just me).

I know what you mean by most not being for children (I know first-hand by seeing that anime on late-night TV when I was younger... definitely not for someone under the age of 16.) By definition, I don't think it's supposed to be geared for the under 11 age group... and that's why I worry. Currently, my sibling is obsessed with Sailor Moon (watching it constantly on youtube), and even with that, there is some inappropriate content she probably shouldn't be viewing. I'm also afraid that she might get curious and click another anime video other then Sailor Moon, and who knows what the rating on it would be (it's youtube...) This constant monitoring gives me more distaste for it, really... which is probably unfair in some respect, to the genre, since I'm not giving it much of a chance...

Ah, good old Disney movies... I grew up with those. (I was one of those children that was just obsessed with Disney movies.... The Lion King, the Little Mermaid, you name it.) Too bad they never really regained that magic that they held with their classics.

Posted by: Zhanneel Feb 7 2009, 7:36 PM

*still obsessed with Disney* That's why I can't wait for the 2D Princess and the Frog movie. Probably their last 2D movie ever....=(. Guess I'll just have to watch all of their previous movies over and over to get that classic Disney nostalgia.

Posted by: AndYouAreTheOne Jun 27 2009, 3:29 AM

I agree. I watch shows from everywhere, but anime has some of the best artwork.

Posted by: winxclub-joy Jun 27 2009, 6:25 AM

I like both cartoons and animes, but I would prefer cartoons more if you ask me.

Cartoons has different type of styles, while anime remains almost the same. And Boo, I'm also one of the Disney fan who grows up with Disney classical movies! While Anime just sticks with fantasy and some other.....erm genre.

I'm totally into disney traditional animations, which they have to hand draw frame by frame and use paint to paint it. It's beautiful, even though it's tiring.

So far, the only anime which was on my top fave is Romeo X Juliet, you can't blame me cause I love romance, and their storyline! It's totally a fairytale story but with anime style xD

There is always some combination between anime and cartoons you see.......Winx Club is kinda one of them, well I mean they drawing style and features, and yeah I meant their bodies.

Posted by: Lunar Princess Jun 27 2009, 4:52 PM

I am an anime-lover, though I am not obsessed. I do love it, mind you. I think anime is better for those who are a little old for cartoons but still sort of like them. For those anime is a great option. a.k.a. me. Though I still watch some cartoons. lol. :)

Posted by: P-girl Jun 27 2009, 5:45 PM

*Sigh* Why do cartoons get the 'Kiddie' staple? Some of them aren't even meant for kids! And I ain't talking about the stuff like South Park or Family Guy..... ever saw 'Waltz with Bashir'? It's a documentary made with animation, and it's not for kids..... at all.

Posted by: Lunar Princess Jun 27 2009, 8:42 PM

This is true. I was thinking along the lines of "saturday cartoons". But you're right, even those never get old. lol. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Posted by: P-girl Jun 27 2009, 8:45 PM

That's okay, I'm just a bit bitter because in most forums I used to go to, Anime was regarded superior to Western animation..... to the degree they didn't take me seriously for loving Western animation (Not even Disney got a pass! Nor Pixar.)

Posted by: Boo Aug 11 2009, 12:04 AM

*thread is revived*

Not even Pixar?!
I'm sorry, but most adults I know enjoy Pixar just as much as the kids I know. It seems that every movie they produce is seemingly flawless and always enjoyable... that, and most of them seem to convey a beneficial message.

Psh, you must be dealing with some extremely-obsessed Anime fans.
Just kidding, of course... But really, they should watch a Pixar movie or two.

Posted by: MorriganAensland Aug 11 2009, 12:43 AM

I think the problem is that, aside from Pixar and a few select cartoons like Samurai Jack, most Western cartoons really are lacking a certain element. You have to admit, a *lot* of series are made for cheap merchandising ploys and it's painfully obvious.

Posted by: humbu111 Aug 11 2009, 1:21 AM

Not to get into any deep discussion lol but I prefer cartoons. I'm not a fan of the anime drawing style.

Posted by: Asher Omega Aug 11 2009, 4:32 AM

I watch both but I prefer "Anime" mostly because I'm watching for plot. that or just plain to zone out. There are animes out there that get fairly realistic and those tend to have really indepth plots that I prefer. although those also tend to have very disturbing concepts. or they're just not meant for people younger than the age of 15. GTO springs to mind on the latter. I don't have a problem with either but Western animation tends to be aimed more at younger audiences or (in some cases) being a form of political satire. I don't watch any live action stuff from the east mostly because its plain weird.

Posted by: winxclubrox23 Aug 11 2009, 4:45 AM

I love cartoons! I've never really been an anime fan, probably has something to do with it.

Posted by: P-girl Aug 11 2009, 8:36 AM

That isn't always a bad thing, Transformers Animated, Season 3's a good example. Character depth, drama, adult issues like death or abuse. (Just watch 'Predacons rising'. That episode moved me to tears. It's painful to see someone who's hunted down, finally thinking he found himself a friend and like-wise spirit hearing that said 'friend' was just using him, probably killing him in the process. 'Spiderbot not Waspinator friend?' is a very harrowing quote, particulary with the on-the-verge-of-crying intonation. )

Posted by: MorriganAensland Aug 11 2009, 11:50 AM

Well, Transformers Animated is an exception and it's one of those series that is more than just a cash-in. Yes, Transformers has toys to sell, but the writers are not using that as an excuse to get away with crummy scripts. For the most part, the reason why a number of merchandise-driven series stand out and succeed is simply because they had determined writers that made sure it wasn't crap. Like Transformers, Pretty Cure could have tanked *fast* but it's now the longest-running Magic Girl series out there.

Posted by: P-girl Aug 12 2009, 9:51 AM

And I think a healthy split between the Toy Manufacturers and the Animators help. There have been some instances where an accesory of a toy was unknown to the animators and not put in, or used later. (Like Lugnut's mace and Soundwave's Guitar.), those look like fumbles, but like I said, shows a healthy split between the two.

Posted by: fullmoon Aug 14 2009, 1:36 AM

I'm an anime fan. Maybe the fact that I'm asian kind of affects me....I have no idea. For some reason, I enjoy hearing stuff in japanese with subtitles most of the times. I dunno why. O_O

There are a variety of anime drawing styles. Not all of them have big eyes. I do prefer cartoon drawing style but if the plot is good, I really do not care if the characters looks bizarre. One example: One Piece. I do love disney animations though. I usually watch cartoons if they are disney and are movies.

I still prefer anime. In fact, I disagree with the fact that anime sticks with fantasy. There are so many genres. I haven't seen that many sport cartoons.

Posted by: P-girl Aug 14 2009, 6:52 AM

Galactik Football!

....

Sorry, obsession.

Posted by: Zydron Aug 16 2009, 5:22 PM

I'm also an anime fan, and I agree there are many genre's, all the mayor genre's are in anime.
But western cartoons are also welcome!
Like Avatar, it is a realy nice serie, based on anime.
When you look to the Avatar credits, you will see some Asian looking names

I heard from a real life friend of mine, that the creators of Avatar had dificulties, because there is much censoring for children in the US.
Like that you can't let characters die (this is allowed in japan).
Like Yu-Gi-Oh, it is dubbed by 4Kids.
In a battle they said, if you lose this, you are going to the shadowland (or something, don't know it exactly). In the japanese it is much simplier, you are gonna die when you lose.
And if you think about Avatar related with japanse culture, you know maybe that the kanji of the number 4 is the same as the word dead.
When Toph joined the group, things where going wrong and this stopped when Zuko joined.

Western cartoons are in my opinion just as good as japanese.
Skyland,
the japanese/french anime Oban Star Racers,
W.I.T.C.H. (Italian origine, french animation),
And Winx Club they are all great series.

That people don't give western cartoons even a change is stupid.
But other people don't think so!

Posted by: P-girl Aug 16 2009, 5:27 PM

That feels good.

But.... Avatar is much closer to Chinese culture then Japanese.

Posted by: Zydron Aug 16 2009, 5:33 PM

That everything whas going wrong when Toph joined whas based on japanese

But ok, it is chinese culture.

Posted by: P-girl Aug 16 2009, 6:00 PM

Sorry.... I don't know that much about that part, but I know enough to know that most is influenced by Chinese, and it can annoy me since many fanites go all anime/fangirl Japanese on Avatar.

Posted by: Zydron Aug 16 2009, 6:18 PM

Well chinese makes more sense than japanese, thats true, so I guess you're right.

I though that I did read Chinese on wikipedia and not Japanese

However, the creators of Avatar, have based Avatar on Asian culture (now good? ^_^)

Posted by: P-girl Aug 16 2009, 6:20 PM

Of course it's good. I'm sure they've thrown some of Japanese in it as well.

It's just..... well, for one, the fact that it has been filed under 'Anime' on FF.net for the longest time.

Posted by: Zydron Aug 16 2009, 6:25 PM

It isn't an anime, even it is created by japanese people!
It is created by an american company, and not in japan so it isn't an anime in western sense.

However in japan, anime means animation and that includes western cartoons, so Winx Club is also an anime!

Maybe am I hated because I said this, but it is true.
In japan anime is everthing that is animated around the world.
Only outside japan anime is refered to japan only cartoons.

Posted by: P-girl Aug 16 2009, 6:33 PM

I get your logic, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's just.... nowadays Anime is used to name Japanese Animated Shows. So in that aspect, it's wrong. I might be wrong and a bit paranoid, but to me, it was a big part of this Anime over Cartoon favoritism. As if Avatar was to good to be in the 'Cartoon'-section. (Sounds dumb? On a deleted forum, we had an argument that basically had people saying this. *Bangs head against wall* To me, it's the same thing I have with Twilight: I don't mind the actual medium, it's the fans that drive me up the wall. Not all fans, just the rabid, militant and overall insane ones..... Drat, I hope I haven't offended anyone there.....)

Posted by: Zydron Aug 16 2009, 6:40 PM

Yeah, some are very strict with it and refer anime only to japan.

But thats not true, anime is animation. Avatar, WITCH, Winx Club, Skyland, they are also animated series and thus they ARE anime!

Posted by: P-girl Aug 16 2009, 7:10 PM

Not by the Internet's standard. I get your point. But when you say 'Anime' roughly 95% of the Internet population is gonna think this:


Instead of this:

(Note: *Drool*)

However, the line is blurring, with shows like Avatar, Totally Spies, Galactik Football, W.I.T.C.H. and other 'Anime-esque' Western animation. While some seem to be plain ripping off the drawing, some actually tend to make good use of it, or take note of the often more intricate story-telling, instead of going episodic like most.

Posted by: Zydron Aug 16 2009, 7:15 PM

Yeah, roughly 95% gonna think that, but if it is true is an another story.

Because the true means of the word is the same as cartoon.

Posted by: P-girl Aug 16 2009, 7:20 PM

Yup. You wouldn't believe the flak I got for going around and telling newbies (Like my mother or Grandma) that anime is basically a Japanese Cartoon. Because 'ZOMG! ANIME IS SO MUCH BETTER THEN THIS WESTERN CRUD! LOL!'

.............

Should I take my frustration over this elsewhere? Please tell me if I should.

Posted by: Zydron Aug 16 2009, 7:47 PM

That japanese anime is better than european anime, is only an opinion that somebody can have.

Maybe it is better, maybe it isn't better, no one can say, because it is an opinion and not a fact!


But that people refer anime with japan comes I think because japanese people say anime for such shows (and because there are so many, just take a look on the TV Tokyo anime site!) that people forget that there is more than that. I don't believe that they in Japan only watch their own animations, ours too!

and the fact that we say cartoon or animated serie.

Posted by: Ranma Sep 10 2009, 12:56 AM

I watch anything I like. That includes anything from animated to live action. American, italian, japanese, chinese, korean, and anything else is good as long as I like the story and characters.

Posting random theme song! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLbmPdiEtmo <<This song is anime, but the art style doesn't follow any stereotype and I find it refreshing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EeIOeYKd-c&feature=related << Still love this stuff!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=375ENQbru8s << STILL AWESOME "Let's get dangerous!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BTO6rcxcvA&feature=related << Favorite Korean movie ever. I've watched it soooooooooooooooooo many times.

Posted by: Hanna Sep 10 2009, 8:07 AM

I like Anime more ^^ Sailor moon is very good and Naruto too but winx and huntik are very close.

Posted by: Zhanneel Sep 11 2009, 6:17 PM

What a healthy and awesome answer.

That's my motto too. I don't really care where it comes from, if I like it that's enough. It could have been made on the moon for all I care. If you put restrictions on only watching shows that come from specific regions you miss out on everything else that could be just as good or better. So have a good mix.

Posted by: Cloud9 Sep 12 2009, 3:55 AM

Mostly anime for me, although the old school Bugs Bunny cartoons are not to be underestimated, and I am continually grieved by the fact that they aren't shown at all on tv anymore. I like anime because it's easier for me to draw than anything else, and it's close enough to real life (which I absolutely fail at drawing) while still being cartoonish. I like anime with plenty of heroics (read: Gundam, Shaman King, and yes, Dragonball Z *dodges rotten vegetables*), and when I watch a dystopic anime where all the "heroes" are hopelessly and irredeemably flawed (read: NGE), it depresses me.

On a completely unrelated note, good to see you, Zhan. How've you been?

Posted by: Ranma Sep 14 2009, 2:30 AM

Yeah, you haven't been around ^_^

Posted by: P-girl Jun 30 2010, 9:06 PM

*Bumps old topic*

*WARNING! MAY CONTAIN SOME DISTURBING IMAGES!*

Sorry for this, but I just wanted to show this, for people that tend to think that Western Animation can't be dark, mature or serious.....