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Posted by: humbu111 Jul 4 2010, 9:47 PM

From Michaels Winx site:

Ok, everyone's been asking, will USA get the 1st movie and Winx Club season 4? From 4KidsTV the answer is no, but that doesn't mean never from another source. Michael visited the 4KidsTV booth, checking all promotional materials, banners, signs, etc. Winx Club was no where to be seen. They were heavily promoting their new fall Toonzai (Japanese anime) block for this fall. See Michael's picture below from his personal camera. In addition, their official http://www.4kidsentertainmentinc.com/ removed all trace of Winx Club. Only http://www.4kids.tv/ has Winx Club displayed.

NOOOOOO my life is over <.< I think I'm gonna go cry now *runs off sobbing*

Posted by: wkw427 Jul 4 2010, 11:45 PM

Meh, never liked the dub. Well, I did, before I got the other dub

Posted by: Princess-Mariah Jul 4 2010, 11:54 PM

....it isnt fair.... all those people waiting and this is what we get... i mean yeah we can watch it on youtube but some people cant. IT ISNT FAIR!!

Posted by: humbu111 Jul 4 2010, 11:59 PM

The worst part is being stuck with the RAI voices and background music for anything Winx in the the future... yeah I've just lost alot of interest for what used to be my favourite show by so far.

Posted by: Princess-Mariah Jul 5 2010, 3:29 AM

Mhmm same ugh how could they do this?

Posted by: mightymarty2 Jul 5 2010, 6:49 AM

thanks for the information, that is a shame but it is not surprising

Posted by: DeadInside Jul 5 2010, 8:19 AM

What? Sorry if I'm the "freak" i here but
Are you people really complaining about not having the messed up version anymore and if you want to see it you have to see it as it was actually made to be seen? Really?
I've seen both, and I know that as you see things you get used to being in some way but... no matter what i'll always prefer the things as the author really made them not as some... people mess them up don't know why...
And about the voice actors... well, thats not really a big deal its always annoying a change but... I don't know...
I always thought of 4kids as some kind of cancer that destroy everything they touch... interesting to see that some people actually like what they do...

but thats just me... and i really never understand people

Posted by: P-girl Jul 5 2010, 8:51 AM

While I would've picked some more delicate wording, and I understand it must suck..... yeah, I'm going with DeadInside here. You're complaining about the plot-hole inducing dub? The one That made a normal Sphere a Sphere of Truth, creating one of the greatest plot canyons of the series? The one that destroyed Musa's past, making it a confusing mess, just so they could make her a Princess? Yeah....

Posted by: Kel03 Jul 5 2010, 11:48 AM

Well us aussies were getting the 4Kids dub with seasons 1 to 3, so after getting the Rai Englsih version of Season 4 aired I wasn't too surprised to hear that news at all. I must admit I'm more use to the 4Kids version and would have liked to seen what they would do with season 4, I have been getting use to the Rai English version now though so I can live without 4Kids doing their version for now. Anyway that's just my 2 cents worth over the news lol

Posted by: wkw427 Jul 5 2010, 4:00 PM

If 4kids would of done it, Ogron would of had a generic deep voice. He is much better as what he is now.

Posted by: P-girl Jul 5 2010, 4:06 PM

I know, right? I mean, they did the same thing with Valtor. Talk about a voice/look disconnect.

Posted by: humbu111 Jul 5 2010, 4:33 PM

Can we not turn this into another 4kids vs RAI topic kthanks. The 4kids version was said to be a modified version of the RAI one to raise the level of entertainment, and better suit/be more appealing to the American audience. Being Canadian is pretty much the same thing, and therefore I prefer the 4kids version. Anyways its a matter of opinion so I dont see why yall are trying to impose yours on us.

Posted by: P-girl Jul 5 2010, 4:36 PM

We're not 'Imposing' anything. We're speaking our mind. I mean, you like 4Kids, we don't. Those are our opinions. May we please voice them?

Posted by: humbu111 Jul 5 2010, 4:41 PM

Um yeah, saying RAI is better than 4kids on a topic like this the way that it was said is irrelevant and doesnt serve any purpose. Its not the point of the topic. Voicing your opinion doesnt mean that anywhere a topic related to 4kids is made, people jump in and shout 'RAI is better, 4kids sucks!' Thats borderline trolling.

Posted by: P-girl Jul 5 2010, 4:44 PM

I'm just gonna go now, it's obviously I'm not welcome......

Posted by: humbu111 Jul 5 2010, 4:46 PM

If all you're gonna say is basically 'you're weird for liking 4kids cause its messed up', then yeah you got the right hint.

Posted by: DeadInside Jul 5 2010, 4:49 PM

Thats something i never really understand, a lot of people say that when they modify Anime and movies... I used to think that it was kinda a insult, like saying "you are not going to understand it as it was made, Your head its not gonna take it"

And About "raise the level of entertainment" I don't think so.
Its like going inside an Fighting Anime show and add a lot of childish jokes in order to make it funny... Oh wait, thats what 4Kids do.... never mind

But Who am I to judge, Im just saying dont worth to comply about this lost

Posted by: humbu111 Jul 5 2010, 4:53 PM

Well American audiences are more used to lots of background music and all, RAI seems so quiet to me. Instead of just generic voices there are voices that suit a character's personality like most American cartoons. Plus the songs in 4kids seem more like mainstream American music. The way they talk and the slang they use is pretty much how people of around that age talk here. Those are all reasons why I prefer 4kids over RAI.

Posted by: It'sThePowerofBelievix Jul 5 2010, 5:48 PM

Sorry to all those people who have been waiting for 4kids season four, because I have been waiting too. For this to happen.

I never really like 4kids dubs unless they do them well (e.g. Pokemon wasn't too shabby, Dinosaur King had it's good moments) but they butchered Winx. I'm a dedicated fan, so I don't want 3 minutes of a show took off for more commercial time. And if it's better suited for a American audience, that makes America sound really not cultural. Can Americans not adapt to another way of animation?
Anyway, if a good company gets it, think of the merchandising! It'll be much better!

Posted by: wkw427 Jul 5 2010, 5:57 PM

I'm only saying that I think these are the bad part of the 4kids dub

-Changing the plot (censoring, rearranging, renaming anything)
-Shortening the episode length
-EVERY inconsistency in the plot
-SOME of the voice actors.

Some of the VAs are good, others are just bad.

Posted by: It'sThePowerofBelievix Jul 5 2010, 7:00 PM

Trufax.How can you like a show if it's changed so much?

Posted by: dreamywinxgirl94 Jul 5 2010, 7:09 PM

I heard about it and I felt shocked with that news. ='( I was really upset cause I won't see Winx anymore on TV, just online only...really unfair for those Fans in USA who doesn't have a computer to watch Winx Club again.

The only thing I love is the voices in 4kids.tv they suit them well which each character's personality. I mean. I'm not use to RAI-English voices cause I'm use to the American voices cause I get confuse easily with RAI-English's voices. It would be good if 4kids.tv just use RAI-English and make Americans voice them with the same script from RAI-English. Also leaving the scenes alone since it's annoying to see them being cut off. (Just my opinion)

Anyway, I'm not a big fan of Anime. It's just that Winx Club was the best for me. xD It looks like 4kids.tv is making it into Anime now...-_-" As it announced...for Fall 2010.

But something caught me in Michael's Winx Club too:

"Furthermore, according to Television Business International (TBI) Kids June/July 2010 Magazine, page 7-8, Michael found that Rainbow is taking distribution rights for Winx Club back from 4Kids, with a new partner set to be announced. In speaking with Rainbow personnel, Michael was informed they are shopping around, so networks like Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network, who air Winx Club in other countries, could be possible contenders for USA, but nothing is definite at this time. Cartoon Network did air Winx Club in the USA for a short time once before."

Yeah...Cartoon Network have it before and cancel Winx Club for the short time and 4kids.tv own that show now. It was nice to watch Winx Club in the afternoons of 5:30PM Everyday. xD Those memories back from 2005. Now I don't think Cartoon Network will be getting it back again? 0.0 Could Nickelodeon get it too? Who will be the next company to get Winx Club back to USA? Hopefully, they will. =)

Posted by: It'sThePowerofBelievix Jul 5 2010, 7:16 PM

I think Nickelodeon might get it because it's done so well with it in other countries.

So, this means the Fire and Flame DVD will never be released?

Posted by: humbu111 Jul 6 2010, 1:40 AM

I dont really know alot about the whole dubbing thing, so if Nick or Cartoon Network get the license will they dub it or just play the RAI version?

Posted by: wkw427 Jul 6 2010, 2:18 AM

They played the rai version

Posted by: humbu111 Jul 6 2010, 2:25 AM

So why did 4kids dub it rather than play the RAI version? Are they a different kind of company or something =S

Posted by: {§hani} Jul 6 2010, 8:28 AM

man that really sucks i liked the 4kids Dubs :C WHY??? SERIOUSLY WHY 4KIDS WHY??im mean im not from the U.S but Australia gets the 4kids version and not the Rai, its sad really because i grew up with it and now its just gone.

Posted by: Boo Jul 6 2010, 12:31 PM

I think that the upset around here is justified: if the 4kids dub is what someone is used to or was what introduced the show to them, I think complaints are only to be expected as well as reasonable. If it's what we're used to, in most cases, it is also what is preferred. Now, though, there is no second option.

It is true that 4kids handled the show in a rather terrible manner (when it comes to cutting scenes, etc.), but it is what some are used to.

Personally, I thought 4kids excelled in the department of character voices (not all, but most.) That, and many have grown used to the voices and most likely have attached them with their respective character. Being forced to switch over to a new company now, after years, is definitely stable grounds for complaint.


This isn't a matter of who is better, it's a matter of disappointment over the loss of the 4kids option.

Posted by: It'sThePowerofBelievix Jul 6 2010, 4:57 PM

I understand how people aren't used to the RAI voices after the 4kids version, because I wasn't either at first. But, you get used to them eventually. Anyway, the new voice for Bloom in season four RAI was like a mix of both versions. Stella's Rai voice is less whiney, but still familiar. Musa's is very different, I admit her 4kids one is good and fitting though. Tecna's voice is great and better than the british accent. That's so stereotypical, just because we're British doesn't make us smarter than anyone else. And so on...

Posted by: PinkSugar Jul 6 2010, 10:55 PM

Well said, Boo. I'm quite sad to hear that 4kids won't be continuing to dub and release the dvds. Why? Like you said, I'm used to it. I'll watch RAI english online, and I did, in fact see all of Season 3 in Rai English because by the time I got through season 1 and 2, season 3 had gone off air and wasn't anywhere to be found on the vast internet.

If the RAI english was available here on DVD? I'd probably buy it along with 4kids. 4kids for the voices (for me) and RAI for the plot. But I'm weird. I wouldn't mind owning RAI DVDs just to have the option should I feel like it.

But that's off topic. This is still disheartening. I don't really want to have to pay for expensive shipping should the RAI English DVDs be released outside the US (well, obviously they're not going to be released in the US...) But I want to own season 4, and quite honestly I would have loved to own a copy of the movie as well.

Posted by: winxclubrox23 Jul 6 2010, 11:22 PM

I already died I bit inside about this a few days ago. No reason to bring that back. I has one thing to saw.

Michael Sinterniklaas was the best Riven ever. Nobody will ever replace him. He brought him to life from episode one, and that simply won't change in my mind.

Posted by: Another Morning Jul 7 2010, 12:46 AM

I liked the 4kids dub, I preferred it to the RAI, and I am pretty upset about this. I makes me wonder once again what went wrong with bringing Winx to America. I think that if it was more popular, we wouldn't have had this problem...

Posted by: RenaEnchantix Jul 7 2010, 12:48 AM

I honestly view this as a good thing. not because I didn't like the 4Kids dub any more than the Rai Dub, or because I'm american and found the US version more appealing (which I didn't, btw), or anything like that. This is good because we actually have MORE of a chance seeing season 4 and the movies now. Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon not only go through like 3 seasons of a show a year, but they air tv movies LIKE CRAZY! if Winx Club goes to either of them and is on the air in 2011, I can absolutely see an american release of the 1st movie by/in 2012. granted, it might go to that Nicktoons network, but we'd still get a DVD release of the movie for anyone who doesn't have that channel.

it's clear that Rainbow wants winx in the american market, but couldn't put it there if 4Kids owned it. 4Kids doesn't have the money to dub anything new. if you check out their "new" toonzai lineup, it's all stuff that's been dubebd for YEARS! i mean, Cubix has been done since like 2002...and isn't even japanese or anime! it's CGI, and I'm pretty sure it's Korean. it isn't the first time companys have taken away liscenses either. 4Kids wasn't allowed to dub the second half of Tokyo Mew Mew, and eventually lost the rights to it because of how they handled the series.

nobody can deny that winx club is HUGE, almost globally. it's only failed in America because of 4Kids shoddy handling of it. poor time slots and no marketing or products since season 1? I was so happy when Winx went to cartoon network because I could actually watch it at a reasonable time!

it's too soon to tell anything, but I view this as the dawn of a new day for the Winx in America.

Posted by: It'sThePowerofBelievix Jul 7 2010, 9:22 PM

I think that's your answer :)

Yeah, but maybe now America will get the Believix toys?

(On a side note, if they made the sophiex and lovix, why haven't they merchandised them yet?)

Posted by: RenaEnchantix Jul 7 2010, 11:54 PM

If nickelodeon got Winx, we'd probably only see the show released on iTunes and DVD as merchendise. with the exception of iCarly and H2O, their shows don't seem to have toys anymore. Cartoon Network we might see more toys from them, but not sure they'd be dolls. probably more like action figures or something.

now, if Rainbow handled the merchandising, we'd probably see dolls, playsets, everything Winx all over again. if the do it with Rainbow Toys or Matel would be a different story, but we'd probably get all sorts of merchandise.

I don't think there is merchandise of Sophix and Lovix because they were only used once in the show. They could maybe sell the outfits seperate from the dolls so that you can dress them up and stuff, but I doubt they'd make a different line just for sophix and lovix.

Posted by: animefan32 Jul 8 2010, 1:42 AM

There's nothing wrong with the RAI voice and background music, the bg music is actually the music used in the original version and it has the original plot line you'd think you'd be much happier with that instead of the dumbed down changed 4kids version

Posted by: humbu111 Jul 8 2010, 1:47 AM

Dude, its a difference of opinion.

Posted by: animefan32 Jul 8 2010, 1:51 AM

So, that still doesn't mean you can't enjoy the Rai version which is more like the original version (or doesn't really answer my question either), this is not really a big crisis it's actually a big miracle, instead of complaining about how 4kids doesn't have it anymore why not try working on getting the Rai version here in the US and watching it getting used to the voices, 4kids did have some better VA's but overall the Rai version is superior and you should be happy you can still watch it in english so there's really not a reason to complain i understand you're used to it and all but come on, it would be different if we were without a dub

Posted by: It'sThePowerofBelievix Jul 8 2010, 7:21 PM

Yeah but, the sophiex and lovix seemed to be made just for merchandising purposes. Anyway, I think if Nickelodeon got the show, we'd see the comic too, and if it was sucessful, then other companies would want it.

Posted by: DeadInside Jul 10 2010, 9:50 AM

Ok, Ignoring the plot differences, I'll give that to you that the voice changes are always annoying...

but not even close to fatal, see... I've Past through this time ago, I watch the first 2 seasons in Rai-Spanish-L.A but then for time zone issues the show moved like about 5Am, so i watch season 3 online on Rai-English (Other people I know drop the show because they were unable to watch it on english without subs, later it appear the Rai-Spain floating around online but the dub was horrible, so i stay on Rai-English. All of these versions have the Same script so, there was no big deal... I can say that even when it bother a little it is no reason to make so much noise about that... If you ask me the best voices are on the italian version IMO

I'll only say, that if you were complaining about the voices, sound, then you are right. But if you are complaining about the plot, see it like actually 4Kids make you a favor droping the show.

Posted by: humbu111 Jul 10 2010, 9:29 PM

To be honest I dont care for the plot changes, theyre generally the same either way. Of course even though I havent seen many RAI episodes I'm assuming the original is better, so thats probably one of the very few negatives with 4kids in my opinion, along with cutting short the transformations. But the main positives about 4kids are the voices, background music, and the dialogue, which are the main things I'm gonna miss.

Posted by: winxclubrox23 Jul 11 2010, 4:16 AM

I agree. The voices were so much more expressive, and just gave more life to the show, really.

Posted by: dreamywinxgirl94 Jul 11 2010, 11:34 PM

Yep me too, I agree with Humbu111 and Teagan. =( I really love their voices they suit each personality of the characters in Winx Club. =)

Posted by: It'sThePowerofBelievix Jul 18 2010, 7:19 PM

I've heard they're not showing the Winx finale now, but that could be because they've now lost the rights.

Posted by: winxclubrox23 Jul 19 2010, 3:14 AM

*Grumbles*

So I've heard. They didn't even have the decency to play the last two episodes of the season. It's not 'cause they lost the rights, well they did, but that's not the point. It's because they want to air their new show ASAP.

Posted by: It'sThePowerofBelievix Jul 19 2010, 1:53 PM

But if they lost the rights, surely they wouldn't be able to broadcast it? Also, I don't think the replacement is a new show.

Posted by: winxclubrox23 Jul 19 2010, 3:04 PM

No, they lots the rights to dub it. The can play the seasons they've already dubbed 'til the cows come home, but they don't want to, obviously.

And yes, the replacement is their new show, Cubix.

Posted by: RenaEnchantix Jul 20 2010, 3:06 PM

Cubix is anything but new. the show originally premiered in 2001 and ran until 2003. 4Kids doesn't have any money to dub new shows, so their "all new" toonzai programming block is stuff that's been done by other companies or by 4Kids several years ago. i think the newest thing showing on there is...magical doremi? or dinosaur king. i don't really know.

I believe the toonzai line up consists of the following: Magical Doremi, Dinosaur King, Cubix, YuGiOh, Dragonball Z Kai, Sonic X, and Viva Pinata.

Posted by: winxclubrox23 Jul 20 2010, 8:37 PM

Well they consider it new in the sense of "Ooh, we haven't been playing this for a few years now! Now, we're gonna play it again, and somehow that makes it more entertaining."

Posted by: {§hani} Jul 21 2010, 11:57 AM

ahha i liek it Tig and i agree. the way they think that doesnt make it true o.o

Posted by: It'sThePowerofBelievix Sep 1 2010, 10:57 PM

It's pretty much confirmed they've lost the rights, the DVD is no longer available for pre-order, the page on their website is gone and it's gone from their youtube.

Posted by: dreamywinxgirl94 Sep 2 2010, 8:09 PM

Aw, I heard that. So sad....

but...on the bright side, there's an amazing news!!!!! go to this topic: http://magixclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5184