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Aug 3 2009, 3:33 AM
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Alright, so I know there are topics for Twilight fans, and that's fine, have fun. Since I am not a Twilight fan, I tend to avoid them, because I don't want to storm into a place for people to talk about the book/movie they like and trash it. So this is a topic for fans and non-fans to discuss what they love or hate about the books and movies.
IF YOU FEEL VERY STRONGLY ONE WAY ABOUT TWILIGHT AND DISLIKE PEOPLE NOT SHARING YOUR OPINION ABOUT IT, THIS TOPIC IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST FOR YOU.
Just getting that out of the way.
And now, I rant.
Okay, so I've already said that I don't like Twilight, but I've never really said what I dislike about it. Well...here is my in-depth view of the series and the movie.
First of all, as it has already been pointed out, the things in Twilight are not vampires or werewolves. My dad suggested I refer to them as "glampires", and I rather like it. There are some things I can let slide, but on the whole, I'm a big fan of the original vampire. Must live on HUMAN blood (but they don't go OMFGCRAZY when somebody gets a papercut, hint hint Meyer), weakened/harmed by sunlight (sparkling does not factor in at all), must sleep in native earth, cannot enter homes uninvited, fetid breath (they are CORPSES, people, it's only a glamour that helps them lure in victims), unable to kill themselves (sorry Edward, no manipulation or emotion abuse for you), repelled by garlic and the cross, don't show up in mirrors, killed with fire-hardened ash stake to the heart or with flames, obedient to their master who created them, all that jazz. And, most important of all, vampires are MONSTERS. They have no soul. They cannot fall in love, they don't care about people. Humans are food to them, nothing more. And as monsters, they should be killed. That's the best kind of vampire to me. Like I said, I can be lenient on some of those things, but when you totally disregard all of them, you don't have a vampire anymore. Same with the werewolves. If you want to change things so bad, just make an entirely new species. And I do feel really bad for the Native American tribe that had their heritage and mythology so blatantly warped and ignored.
Second, the characters in the story, for the most part, I either hate or don't care about at all. Edward and Bella, for example, I hate. Edward is a possessive, abusive stalker who controls Bella with threats and displays of power. He takes the engine out of her car so she can't see her friends, and he threatens to kill himself if she ever leaves him. Bella doesn't exist outside of Edward, even the entire second book is just her complaining that he's gone, she is supposed to be all mature and old for her age, even though she acts like a total teenagers, running headfirst into doing anything as long as she can stay with Edward, and she complains all the time about being such an outcast when it's actually mostly self inflicted. She looks down on any classmates that try to be nice to her. All we hear from her regarding Edward is how beautiful he is, she never mentions liking him for his personality (not that you can blame her, he doesn't really have much of one). For both of them, most of their character traits we only know because we're told what they're supposed to be, they never actually display them. The other characters all have as little personality as Bella and Edward. There are a few that I like, though. Jacob is actually cool when he's not doing anything related to Bella, and Charlie made a good effort to be there for Bella, even if she didn't really acknowledge or appreciate it and just dismissed him all the time. Billy was cool, too, and Rosalie had her moments. Movie-wise, all the people at her school seemed much more cool and interested than Bella did, I would have rather watched a movie about them. I feel bad that they're all trapped in such a horrid book/movie.
Finally, even the writing itself isn't good. Smeyer is repetative and never leaves just one adjective where three will fit, some of which don't even make sense. Her purple prose turns what could be dramatic situations kind of funny. The stories all seem like she made it up as she went, and I lose interest quickly in whatever is going on. She goes into intense detail about things nobody cares about, like how Bella eats her breakfast, but when it comes to things like actually developing characters and relationships, she skips over it.
The movie bored me to tears. Even with the hilarious RiffTrak by the MST3K guys, it still felt like it lasted 8 hours.
This being said, I hate when people dis a book or movie without reading it, so let it be known that I have read the first the books and half of the last one, and seen the movie twice (first time without the riff, second time with). So I'm not just assuming any of this.
Now, discuss away! =D
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Another Morning Twilight Discussion Aug 3 2009, 3:33 AM P-girl Well said.
I admit, for the books themselves, I c... Aug 3 2009, 7:24 AM Jahnavi {Please excuse my laziness; I'm copy-pasting a... Aug 3 2009, 3:36 PM SuperChick ok in my opinion I agree w/ both iam a fan but not... Aug 3 2009, 4:54 PM P-girl You're making perfect sense, it's a common... Aug 3 2009, 7:41 PM Another Morning Exactly, SuperChick. Like I said, Bella doesn... Aug 3 2009, 7:51 PM SuperChick yea that's not romatic at all good to know i m... Aug 3 2009, 10:30 PM MorriganAensland Romance is something dealing with finding emotiona... Aug 4 2009, 2:41 AM P-girl Check this out, someone actually sued Myers for Pl... Aug 5 2009, 8:51 PM winxclubrox23 Finally! I can rant in peace! And I'll... Aug 6 2009, 5:52 AM W.I.N.X Okay. Twilight? DO NOT WANT. Abusive relationahips... Aug 6 2009, 6:12 AM winxclubrox23 Oh, oh, I have a whole other rant for the sparklin... Aug 6 2009, 7:13 AM Another Morning I remember when my friend first told me about the ... Aug 6 2009, 9:38 AM P-girl Same here. Where did the idea come from? All I can... Aug 6 2009, 9:40 AM Another Morning Supposedly, the whole thing was inspired by a drea... Aug 6 2009, 9:56 AM P-girl Same here. So many Vampire Stories (Bad ones) star... Aug 6 2009, 9:59 AM Another Morning Exactly. Pretty much every vampire romance is the ... Aug 6 2009, 10:04 AM P-girl Well, I'm trying out a vampire romance.... but... Aug 6 2009, 10:16 AM Another Morning Alright, vampire/vampire romance is also acceptabl... Aug 6 2009, 10:29 AM W.I.N.X God, you have no idea how hard I laughed at that l... Aug 6 2009, 11:32 AM P-girl It's always like that. I blame Anne Rice for s... Aug 6 2009, 11:34 AM melgirl1778 Yes! i agree with everything you said...
Riff... Aug 6 2009, 4:01 PM Another Morning XD Everything is better with RiffTrax, I even watc... Aug 6 2009, 11:23 PM Cloud9 Rifftrax can make just about anything better. As f... Aug 7 2009, 2:19 AM melgirl1778 Ok, I wish to point out my dislike of those who la... Aug 12 2009, 1:43 AM![|](style_images/soft-blue/to_down_pipe.gif) Jahnavi QUOTE (melgirl1778 @ Aug 12 2009, 07:13 A... Aug 12 2009, 5:40 AM P-girl Me to. A lot of my irritation would be dissapated ... Aug 12 2009, 8:07 AM melgirl1778 yea, it really is frustrating when they try to arg... Aug 12 2009, 1:28 PM Jahnavi The problem is that they can't seem to accept ... Aug 12 2009, 3:38 PM melgirl1778 And Stef stole most of the main plit from the Sook... Aug 12 2009, 4:08 PM Jahnavi *facepalm* ...Really? I didn't even know. The ... Aug 12 2009, 4:15 PM melgirl1778 I know the feeling. I used to think the series was... Aug 13 2009, 3:28 AM Manda4winx To what I think, the movie was awesome!
It was... Aug 13 2009, 3:33 AM Another Morning My mom is trying to get me to read the True Blood ... Aug 13 2009, 3:35 AM melgirl1778 Really, i can see how you can find the series ente... Aug 13 2009, 3:45 AM Another Morning I remember when I was watching the Twilight riff a... Aug 13 2009, 3:53 AM melgirl1778 haha yea thats probably true. But i still find him... Aug 13 2009, 3:56 AM Another Morning XD I loved that one, too. But I also loved when Ed... Aug 13 2009, 4:03 AM melgirl1778 Haha, yes. Or ... "THIS IS forks high school ... Aug 13 2009, 4:08 AM Another Morning THE ARMADILLO. WHERE DID IT GO?! Aug 13 2009, 4:13 AM melgirl1778 oh the golden onion... Aug 13 2009, 4:14 AM Another Morning Nooo! Not Buttcrack Santa! Spare him! Aug 13 2009, 4:18 AM MorriganAensland CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CHAGRIN CH... Aug 14 2009, 3:26 AM Cloud9 Even Edward hated Edward. Perfect. Aug 14 2009, 4:12 AM Another Morning Haha, I loved that interview, too XD The only prob... Aug 14 2009, 4:39 AM W.I.N.X Out of iterest do any of you have accounts on /ts/... Aug 14 2009, 7:03 AM Another Morning I have browsed before, but I don't have an act... Aug 14 2009, 7:16 AM W.I.N.X Oh do. Terrifically lulzy people(I'm more of a... Aug 14 2009, 8:25 AM melgirl1778 Haha, i didnt read that interview! but i like ... Aug 14 2009, 3:33 PM Winxhorse I actually really enjoyed the Twilight movie. I ne... Aug 14 2009, 9:51 PM Another Morning I liked Alice and Jacob at first, until Alice just... Aug 17 2009, 4:17 AM W.I.N.X I like Leah and Seth. Leah FTW though. SMeyer trea... Aug 17 2009, 7:33 AM melgirl1778 I heard Charlaine Harris filed suit against Stefan... Aug 17 2009, 9:34 PM Toriamelio strictly against! I truly don't thi... Nov 13 2009, 1:58 AM W.I.N.X Good girl Tori. You have been well taught. Nov 13 2009, 8:31 AM Jahnavi If you haven't already seen this before, read ... Nov 13 2009, 5:24 PM Toriamelio QUOTE (W.I.N.X @ Nov 13 2009, 12:31 AM) G... Nov 14 2009, 4:05 AM P-girl I watched that one to (The trailer that is). The D... Nov 14 2009, 1:21 PM Toriamelio (ah ha! New Moon thats it! xD )
I agree wi... Nov 14 2009, 7:33 PM aqua_pearl I read the first book before the movie came out, a... Nov 14 2009, 9:50 PM P-girl /Nitpick
Werewolves aren't supposed to be Wol... Nov 14 2009, 9:57 PM W.I.N.X And going back to your family, friends comment, P-... Nov 15 2009, 12:10 AM Jahnavi QUOTE She loses them, however, for excluding the f... Nov 15 2009, 3:50 AM P-girl Thanks. In fact, for me, that's part of the we... Nov 15 2009, 10:21 AM Music123 *steps in* I know it's already late but anyway... Nov 17 2009, 5:43 AM winxclubrox23 Yeah, I read the first one right after the movie c... Nov 17 2009, 6:12 AM Toriamelio hey uh the book is like a teen/young adult book ri... Nov 19 2009, 5:07 AM rano0oma all i have to say is that twilight roooooooooooooo... Nov 19 2009, 9:31 AM P-girl QUOTE (Toriamelio @ Nov 19 2009, 06:07 AM... Nov 19 2009, 12:29 PM![|](style_images/soft-blue/to_down_pipe.gif) W.I.N.X QUOTE (P-girl @ Nov 19 2009, 10:29 P... Dec 16 2009, 6:59 AM SolarfireWinx Lol, P-Girl's against Twilight? I'm shocke... Dec 15 2009, 5:56 PM Another Morning So me, my friend who is also and anti, and my brot... Dec 16 2009, 4:54 AM P-girl I think fans and anties alike were all 'What w... Dec 16 2009, 8:00 AM winxclub-joy err....what can I say about twilight?
Humm, cute ... Dec 16 2009, 8:11 AM Another Morning Yeah, I know a lot of Twilight fans who think that... Dec 16 2009, 8:12 AM P-girl See? Us antis are not so different from fans. And ... Dec 16 2009, 8:21 AM Another Morning Man, yes :/ Nothing happens in those books. It... Dec 16 2009, 8:33 AM P-girl It could also be because, admittedly, I don't ... Dec 16 2009, 8:38 AM Jahnavi Soooooo, I started re-reading Twilight, and I kind... Dec 16 2009, 11:21 AM Another Morning No, go for it! I love things like that =D Dec 16 2009, 11:30 AM W.I.N.X Yes! Snark the heck out of them!
Although... Dec 16 2009, 12:43 PM P-girl Ayup, Meyers got some sick, sick ideas. Now, don... Dec 16 2009, 2:20 PM![|](style_images/soft-blue/to_down_pipe.gif) Jahnavi QUOTE (P-girl @ Dec 16 2009, 07:20 P... Dec 16 2009, 3:37 PM![|](style_images/soft-blue/to_down_pipe.gif) Jahnavi QUOTE (P-girl @ Dec 16 2009, 07:20 P... Dec 16 2009, 3:39 PM Another Morning Speaking of Twilight recaps and whatnot, cleolinda... Dec 16 2009, 2:40 PM Jahnavi So...drum-roll, please...here's my chapter-by-... Dec 21 2009, 4:10 PM Another Morning Haha, nice, Jahn XD My mom looked at my funny beca... Dec 22 2009, 12:21 AM
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